Abortion - actual thread

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
hey, cool, that's twice now you've given me props for something I said.

seriously, that was really good. lol

I think that will end this debate.

[Nate]

Originally posted by Angelakillsluts
Nate said he isn't religious and he thinks science is bullshit. I find that even funnier. I can't believe some people...

I never said science was bullshit.Why people are putting words in my mouth i havent a clue.I said science is rewritten all the time which is a fact.Im not downing science but science doesnt have all the answers.

[Arioch]

nothing will ever end THIS debate.....

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by Arioch
nothing will ever end THIS debate.....

lol I see. ok I'll change it to nothing new will come in to this debate.

[Sam The Egg]

nothing new had come to the debate for a while

[Nate]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
I'm still waiting for them to use fact. Yes, science is re-written, and the second they come up with facts that say they're humans the whole time, or that they have souls, fine. But as of right now, the things that classify something as a mammal include both lungs and a spinal chord. They don't have those until 8 weeks in. That is fact. You don't have facts. None of you. You whine about them being living humans, when they aren't human the whole time. Then you say "How do you know" to everything, when you know less because you're so quick to disregard scientific evidence even though it's based in fact. I'm not saying you shouldn't have your own beliefs, but to make laws based on that is wrong, and it's pushing your beliefs on everybody else. You're just as bad as the people who started the "Jesus Died For You" thread. Probably worse, because they never called anybody murderers, they never compared anybody to mass murdering dictators, and they never wished death on people.

You all still have nothing. You haven't brought up one single fact to support anything you've said. And when someone brings in factual evidence to support the opposite side, you're quick to dismiss it and say "Come on, bring something better than THAT". How about you come up with something better than NOTHING. You can't, and that's why you've been so quick to resort to petty insults. You have no proof, no evidence. Just some pseudo-religious bullshit.

Petty insults?wtf are you talking about i didnt insult anyone.If something that is growing inside of a womans womb is not life enough for you so be it.its not a matter of fact or fiction but nothing you have stated was a fact either ive pasted this this next part from several scientists who were asked about this very issue and heres what they cant prove:
Science can tell us, with increasing detail, the processes that start with a sperm and ovum and end up with a newborn baby. But it cannot tell us:

Does the fetus have a soul?
When do the products of conception become a person?
Does a zygote have a full set of human rights?
Is an ovum and sperm a person?
Is abortion murder?

So i just showed you sam that not even the scientists can be sure of this so if there are uncertainties in anything then it all comes down to opinion and thats all we can go by.I respect your opinion but i have mine to.Im not even saying mine is right but like i said before what made it clear for me was seeing it done and i didnt like the feeling after,and i dont know anyone who has.

[Sam The Egg]

Does the fetus have a soul? You missed the point entirely. DO NOT BRING RELIGION INTO THIS! NO religion. Soul = Religion. How many times to I have to say it? You think there's a soul, fine. I don't care. Your religion doesn't matter just as mine doesn't matter. Religion is personal and has no place in this.

You have no proof, no evidence. Just some pseudo-religious bullshit.

It's still true.

[Nate]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
Does the fetus have a soul? You missed the point entirely. DO NOT BRING RELIGION INTO THIS! NO religion. Soul = Religion. How many times to I have to say it? You think there's a soul, fine. I don't care. Your religion doesn't matter just as mine doesn't matter. Religion is personal and has no place in this.




It's still true.

For the last time im not religious ive been to church like 1 time in my life.What i showed you were admitted from scientists that they cant prove.This was not said by religious people it was said by scientists.You want proof i dont have any but neither do you.We could go on about this forever but its something we could never prove eachother wrong on ,so its pointless to go on anymore.

[Sam The Egg]

All I'm doing is looking at what has been factually proven (What classifies a living being as a mammal, stages of development of the fetus), and basing my opinion off of that. There is fact backing me, and I've brought it up. You haven't. If you can't, don't bother. If you can, do it.
You brought up a soul, that is religious. Say you aren't religious all you want, I don't care. You brought something religious into it.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by VampRocker
So you're saying it's "easier" to kill unwanted children?

Hey, Vodstok, can I kill you? I don't like you, nor will I ever want you, so, based on your theory, I'm allowed to take your life, right? Oh, wait, does that only apply to children? Yeah, I suppose so, since they're so young and inncont...

It's easier!

Way to go, jackass, proving to everyone that you find it much more simpler to murder a human being then to let it live and have a chance at living. Why do you think that YOU have that right, anyways?

Go away.

interesting. You missed my point. Who out there is volunteering to take care of these kids. It is unfair to kill them? OKay, i havent heard you say ONCE what you would do for them, not once. You want them to live, hoo-fucking-ra for you. just like those other people who tell these women they have to have their kids "they should just raise them". Have you ever seen a kid who wasnt wanted by their parents? Have you seen what kind of life they lead, and what kind of adults many of them turn out to be?

I hope you are one of the first trampled in a food riot, or starve when we are overpopulated in the next couple of decades. We'll see how cruel it is then.

I state again, support the unwanted ones yourself, or SHUT THE FUCK UP. Again, they are irresponsible? Then you prove how responsible you are, genius and take care of them.