Abortion - actual thread

[Arioch]

So why is it right for only your beliefs to affect laws? You only know as much as everybody else, so why is your opinion the right one?

That statement could/ and should be applied to all these political polls and threads ive been seeing here.

You people have to pull your head out of your own opinion for a second and look at the bigger picture. It doesnt matter if you think its wrong or not, hell i personally think its wrong, what matters is SHOULD YOUR OPINION BE HELD ABOVE OTHERS AS LAW??!!??.

I think no opinion should opress a persons right to think and decide for themselves and their offspring (alive or not).

[VampRocker]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
What about the BABY's body?...I don't give a damn what anyone does to their OWN body...If someone wants to cut their arm off, or blow their fucking brains out, I really don't give a shit...I'm talking about what they're doing to the BABY...By the way, It's the decision they made about what to DO WITH THEIR BODY, that got them pregnant in the first place...People need to take some responsibility for their actions...DAMN

I agree.

A "woman's choice" is bullshit. It's not her choice, and if she says that it is in fact her choice, she is a completely selfish, callous person.

Everyone who falls back on science is close minded. How can you believe science? They update science facts and data all the time! Science is, for lack of a better word, bullshit. What about the "Big Bang?" How the fuck can you prove that?

Easy. You wear glasses, you go to school for a while and study galaxies, you tell someone that it happened and they believe you. Sounds fun, where do I sign up?!

No. Nobody argue the "Big Bang" theory. Just don't.

Also, Rotty wrote:

"Second, it's not a life, and it can't think until a brain develops. Even then, not until the brain begins to function. Or can you really think without a brain, or function while braindead?"

Since you've guys been throwing the "how do you know?" question like you're the first person to utter that phrase...

How do YOU know? Scientific fact? But I thought no one knew more than anybody else? Isn't that what you just said?

I care if innocent children are killed, but go ahead and do so if you like. I can't stop the millions of deaths from happening. It's cool if you want to participate in abortion.

Have fun, Hitler!

[Rotting Eye]

It is a woman's choice. It's her body. She carries the parasite around for nine months. She gives birth. And goes through all of the pain.

When you tell me it's not her body, then who's is it?

Science is around for a reason. For example, without it we'd probably all be long dead from the millions of diseases out there. So many more people would die in childbirth without science... Yes.. I see now, science uncovers nothing. They're all a bunch of quacks.

Autopsies are performed for a reason - to learn. When there's no vital organs present in a fetus, that information is written down. As fact. This stuff isn't made up.

[Sam The Egg]

Originally posted by Sam The Egg
Okay, lets ignore all facts for a moment. How are we supposed to know? We don't. So why is it right for only your beliefs to affect laws? You only know as much as everybody else, so why is your opinion the right one?

That is the exact quote. The "How do you know?" was in response to all of you throwing it around. You were the one saying "How do you know" to everything. I said nobody knows more than anybody else in the post where I said Let's ignore all facts for a moment. Stop only reading parts of the posts and then taking them out of context.

[fluffho]

i was under the impression that Vamp kind of 'apologized' about his actions the other day. how he went over his head, went about things the wrong way

so im beginnign to think 'hey, this dude aint such an ass. it takes a bigger man/woman to apologize'

but here he goes again.. 'Have fun Hitler'

Vamp yo ucan reply to this if you want. but just like Rotting said, i dont even wanna mess with you anymore. i had enough with SFF as well

ARIOCH: your last 2 statements. i'm not sure those made sense. You are against abortion, i am for it (partially). That i understand. now you're first statement "what matters is SHOULD YOUR OPINION BE HELD ABOVE OTHERS AS LAW"

well, maybe i'm reading you incorrectly, but Yes, some opinion IS held above others as law. the opinion that 'abortion is murder' IS the law. only in a few places are abortions allowed, and even then there is a shitload of scrutiny. how about that abortion doctor that was just murdered?

your next statement, "I think no opinion should opress a persons right to think and decide for themselves and their offspring (alive or not)." is this possible? THe opinion that 'abortion is murder' opresses those with the opinion 'it is my body, my choice' and vice versa.

i dont mean to nitpick. i just wasnt sure hwat you were talking about

[Rotting Eye]

I second that thing about Vamp.

I was reading his most recent post, and I thought when he previously apologized he really meant it. Until I got to the end and read that Hitler crap. Geez... What an idiot. Do you know how stupid that made you look? The little redemption you earned just went back to nil.

I was considering listening to you again, but fuck that. You're a complete asshole. And I'm not alone when I say that.

And for anyone to say science is bullshit.. OMGWTF BAN PLZ!

[Nate]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rotting Eye
[B]It is a woman's choice. It's her body. She carries the parasite around for nine months. She gives birth. And goes through all of the pain.

Ya and its the infants body your destroying.who is giving the infant a choice?? are you saying the mothers life is more important then an infants??Im against abortion if you cant tell by now.There is only one way i could see an abortion done and thats if the womans life was seriously at risk if she had this baby other then that there really is no excuse.Its easy for you people to say its ok to have an abortion but what if it was you that was being aborted??Wouldnt you want a choice in whether u live or die? ya i think u would

[fluffho]

well considering rotting wouldnt have had a brain..... it wouldnt have mattered if he was aborted

im not sure about the others, but when i'm talking i'm only talking about 1st trimester abortions

i dont believe in partial births, although in the case of teenagers (15 minutes away, is where m cousin lives. i live in suburbia and she lives in the 'ghetto suburbia.' many of her friends have become pregnant, 3 i can think of in particular... 14 and 15 years old...) i would make a mandatory adoption. although i know that will never happen, cuz that would infringe on her rights or some shit. but how about school? how bout ur kid? thats what pisses me off

[Sam The Egg]

Enough with the What-If's. You can say What-If anything, it doesn't support your argument.

Yes, the mother's life is more important than the fetus'. You can't say 'Aww, but what about the BABY'S choice?' becaue it's not capable of making choices.

I say to you the same thing I've said to everybody else in here: Give evidence, solid factual evidence, to support the banning of abortions. If not, you've got nothing.

[Rotting Eye]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nate
[B]

Originally posted by Rotting Eye
It is a woman's choice. It's her body. She carries the parasite around for nine months. She gives birth. And goes through all of the pain.

Ya and its the infants body your destroying.who is giving the infant a choice?? are you saying the mothers life is more important then an infants??Im against abortion if you cant tell by now.There is only one way i could see an abortion done and thats if the womans life was seriously at risk if she had this baby other then that there really is no excuse.Its easy for you people to say its ok to have an abortion but what if it was you that was being aborted??Wouldnt you want a choice in whether u live or die? ya i think u would

You can't put a value on someone's life.. Neither the babie's nor the mother's life is more important per say...

Yes you are disposing of the infant's body, but it's still a part of the mother's. It's a part of her and no one else.

And... damnit, Fluff already beat me to what I was going to say.