Halloween

[VampiricClown]

Originally Posted by Posher778

How about, no more, for any of them. In fact, let's burn all the sequels that killed the original. (except Halloween 2 and Friday 2+3)

I didn't think Halloween 3, and Friday The 13th 4 were that bad. The Hellraiser series didn't die completely until the fourth film, in my opinion. Pumpkinheads sequels did nothing for it. Same for the Nightmare On Elm St. franchise. Jeepers Creepers 2 was awful. Chucky 2 was pretty good I thought...

My two cents worth, and I now leave you all to your bickering.

[massacre man]

I always enjoy seeing Michael Myers, but that's beside the point. The sequels haven't been that great (I liked 2 and 4), I know that Rob Zombie's version is a bad movie, but I still enjoy watching it, if that makes any sense. I'd rather see the Halloween films stop, unless it's something completely, and I mean COMPLETELY different.

But since we're discussing other slasher franchises in this topic, I'll add in my opinion on that. The only movie in the entire Friday The 13th series I like is part 6. A Nightmare On Elm Street is one of my favorite movies, I also enjoyed New Nightmare quite a bit. Don't really care for Hellraise or Candyman. The only series I like every installment of is Child's Play (Part 3 just for the garbage truck scene). Just seems like Chucky grows a bit more each installment so it seems like each sequel has something new to say and the focus has shifted from the protagonist to the antagonist as the series went on. That's all I have to say about that.

[VampiricClown]

I forgot Candyman. I liked the first two. The third one was a bit far fetched and seemed to get away from the story.

[CrimsonFiend138]

I just love sequels!! I used to hate every slasher not called Michael Myers when I was younger since everybody always used Jason or Freddy when referring to a killer or something. I love the Nightmare sequels probly most. All of them. Loved the Friday Sequels ecxept for VII which is despise and X which I despise even more(except for the virtual camping scene) Hellraiser is badass I agree alot of people hated the third one but I think it just as good. Pumpkinhead 2 was always my favorite of the two. The poor little boy and the bloody tentacles or whatever when that guy got his head ripped off...sorry

[Disease]

Michael Myers on a plane!

[VampiricClown]

Originally Posted by Disease

Michael Myers on a plane!

It wouldn't surprise me.

[ChronoGrl]

Originally Posted by Roderick Usher

When I want to see them , I put on the original. I probably watch HALLOWEEN (JC's not RZ's) at least once a month.

But Freddy, Jason, Micheal, etc. are far from the foundations of horror. They aren't even the founding fathers of horror film - that's for Nosferatu, Frankenstein's, Der Golem etc.

Horror goes back to the cave dwellers. Fear is the most primal emotion. Horror tales are as old as written language. The Ballad of Gilgamesh, Beowulf, The Odyssey - all packed with monsters and murderers.

Horror goes back a little further than 1980. I understand liking these guys, but man has more things to fear than these four or five boogeymen and I'd like to hear some new stories.

I am impressed with the allusion to Gilgamesh... It's not too often that we see him cited with the other legendary and classical heroes...

But anyway.

I'm here with Rod. I'm not a huge fan of horror sequels... The only horror sequels that I actually enjoyed were "28 Weeks Later" and "Aliens," and they certainly diverge from the kind of serial memisis that these Boogeymen Big Bad flicks seem to fall into. I think that to make a successful sequel, you have to BUILD from the original (Aliens, for example, built from the first by adding the Queen and the alien nesting ground... 28 Weeks Later takes place in quarantined London), but most of the above simply just take the Boogeyman and give them new stomping grounds and victims.

I love Halloween. It's my favorite scary movie. But I haven't seen a successful sequel to it. I chose, if I had to "To Choose a New Sequel Path." I might consider remaking the second film (I thought it was a BIG mistake to make it more gory and less suspenseful... and I'm not sure if we REALLY needed the Strode backstory). I honestly like the concept of the victim waking up and being in danger immediately. Too often do we see victims swept away and then we never follow their fate... I like that concept, but I would make it better. I love Mike Myers. I could do with another good film. So I would remake #2 (a decision I have made and stuck with over YEARS now).

But Rod's right. I'd LOVE to see new Boogeyman.

Honestly, I thought that Jeepers Creepers was incredibly underrated and successful.

Scream was well-constructed for what it was (a DEconstructionist film that functioned as a decent slasher).


I wasn't as big a fan of BEHIND THE MASK and HATCHET as Rod was, though... I feel as though they could have been so, SO much better (Mask was so incredibly smart - VERY smart... but it ultimately failed as a horror film and Hatchet was good gore, but not much else).

BUT

I recognize them for trying to create new stories and mythos. I would like to see more. HOLLYWOOD - STOP CHURNING OUT BAD ASIAN HORROR REMAKES.

[Doc Faustus]

Originally Posted by Roderick Usher

When I want to see them , I put on the original. I probably watch HALLOWEEN (JC's not RZ's) at least once a month.

But Freddy, Jason, Micheal, etc. are far from the foundations of horror. They aren't even the founding fathers of horror film - that's for Nosferatu, Frankenstein's, Der Golem etc.

Horror goes back to the cave dwellers. Fear is the most primal emotion. Horror tales are as old as written language. The Ballad of Gilgamesh, Beowulf, The Odyssey - all packed with monsters and murderers.

Horror goes back a little further than 1980. I understand liking these guys, but man has more things to fear than these four or five boogeymen and I'd like to hear some new stories.

Definitely true. I appreciated the new Halloween because of my weariness with 80s horror canon icons. New stories definitely need to be told, although Freddy, Jason and Michael Myers have worked because they do hit on something primal. Jason and Michael Myers are embodiments of death that cannot be rationalized or comprehended. They are the Black Annis,the Breathstealer, the Wendigo. That being said, it grows tiresome because they must be rationalized. There is no potential terminus, no potential solution and no real movement but towards rationalizing, explaining, uncovering and negating something that thrives on mystery. New slasher franchises like the Saw films (in spite of being torture porn/ slasher hybrids with no supernatural elements) aren't really the solution but a repetition of the same issues. A new approach is needed or else we'll be stuck with the tired slasher icons of yesteryear. Why? Because you can't kill or rationalize your way out of the Michael Myers/ Jason cultural dialogue any more than we can bribe AIDS or scare infant mortality away. More nuance is necessary. What is ACTUALLY scary? Digging deeper is necessary. Faceless death is not the be-all and end-all of fear, in fact its primal to the point of being simplistic. I'm not standing behind the new horror writers who write stories about a guy whose lamp is broken or whose girlfriend might be cheating and calling it horror, I'm just saying that some things are really deep down shit-your-pants horrifying about life nowadays and they ain't the Wendigo, the Manticore or the frumious Bandersnatch, nor are they retarded people with farm tools. I agree that if a child is handicapped and the victim of abuse they should not be given farm tools to play with and have their homes torn apart by reckless teenagers. Child abuse is bad, farm tools are sharp and teenagers can be jerks. I feel sorry for anybody who needs to learn these particular rudiments of life. All in all, horror can be better if we dig deeper and are more honest. The secret to great horror has always been honesty. Look at Pet Semetery. The Wendigo and the Monkey's Paw come together with brutal honesty to make something the hits us where we live. Look at the face of Emil Jannings in Murnau' s Faust. What we once thought of as hoary and Medieval becomes visceral, real and disgusting. This is what we need to be afraid of in ourselves, this is what we give into if we compromise our ethics. Honesty, intimacy and transgression are necessary for the genre to go anywhere. Hockey masks have no place in the equation.

[CrimsonFiend138]

WOW.....Bravo that was really inciteful

[James Whale]

Am I the only one who thinks this film is creepy and atmospheric? I haven't seen this one since its original release. I remember walking away from this film thinking how well done it was; then, I heard only negative things about it from critics and fans alike. I think I'll rent it tonight and rewatch it with my horror snob, critic's hat on. I would really like as many opinions on this film as possible; don't hold back. If you hate it ,give me your best vitriolic rants. Actually, I enjoy negative reviews more than positive. Some vituperations against againt a hated film drip with sarcasm and passion. I often find the passion and style in negative reviews very amusing. Lord knows, I may check back in here with a negative review of my own. PAX VOBISCUM!