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Old 01-25-2005, 07:06 AM
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Hi Classic go to the Godzilla 1954-2005 section of the board in Classic horror movies I will post what the Godzilla fanbase is but your not going to believe it.
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Hi Omen I respect your thoughts on what you said and if you read everything I have said about Godzilla you will I dont defend all his movies as I have posted that I really hate all of the 5 1970s Godzilla movies with a passion. It baffles me when people say they like Godzilla vs. Megalon 1973 as much as when people say they like TCM in 1974. I dont like either one of those movies and I think both are big let downs. Here is a list of Godzilla movies I think suck KingKong vs. Godzilla 1962 Godzilla vs. the Seamonster 1966 Son of Godzilla 1967 Godzillas Revenge 1969 Godzilla vs. Hedora 1971 Godzilla vs. Gigan 1972 Godzilla vs. Megalon 1973 Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla 1974 Terror of MechaGodzilla 1975. I think the best quality horror movies were made in the 50s and 1960s and a few in the 1970s. Alot of Dracula fans will admit that Lee is a better Dracula than Bela this does not mean Dracula 1931 was a bad movie it just means Hammer made better Dracula movies. And Bram Stokers Dracula in 1992is down right AWESOME and that is a much much better made movie than Horor of Dracula in 1958. I like all 3 but I think Lee is a better Dracula and Cushing a better Vanhelsing. I am sure those who like Lon Chaney in the Wolfman 1941 will agree that the Howling 1981 is a better movie the Howling is my Fave Werewolf movie. But I still enjoy Chaneys the Wolfman. I am into film advancement and horror movies that are reaaly well made. I was not so suprprised to see on this boars that some fans hat remakes and those same fans love the 1931 Dracula and 1931 Frankenstien movies. I pointed out that those movies are remakes. I have not bashed those remakes at all. I remember when TCM was being remade there was talk that that would suck yet I think remakes are a good idea. What irks me is when people talk bad about a movie they have never seen that just tells me that person is a total moron. What I like are fans who ask about movies they have not seen and where they can see them. Old or new if a horror movie is good and I like it i will say it if I dont and others do I will ask why and if others ask me why I lik dislike it I will tell them my reasons. This does not mean I am bashing the movie I am just saying how I felt about it thats it. There are people back in 1977 who saw Starwars and said they hated it. I asked them why when everyone else seems to like it. They simply said they dont like movies about space. They didnt bash SW they just said how they felt about it and I can respect that. Now imagine a person bashing SW who never saw it. Yep thats a moron. Omen my thinking is that maybesome younger board members are to sensitive.
you keep saying that these old Dracula,Frankenstein wolfman ect. films are remakes but they aren't. Everytime a Dracula movie or Werewolf movie is made they're for the most part all different when we're talking about remakes we don't mean the ones where it has the same name and that's basicly it, we mean the remakes that are being done by people who aren't like the guys in the 70's and 80's those guys like Wes Craven,Sam Raimi,Bruce Cambell,John Carpenter ect. ect. they were broke and just wanted to make movies it wasn't all about the money it was about doing what they liked to do and doing it well. These days the people who get the assignment to remake those classic films most of the time don't even have history in horror for example i could be off a little but i can't recall his name at the moment but the guy who did the texas chainsaw remake hadn't even directed anything but music videos before he was given the job. The point is the guys back in the 70's and 80's had a passion to make movies and make them well and that's what they did,the people that get the job to remake them don't want to do anything but make money.
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Well Austin growing up and reading as a guy who was 12 12 14 years old Famous Monsters Magazine and the Monster Times I can tell you this back in the late 60s early to mid 70s I would see what guys like Steve Speilberg George Lucas Steveen King Rick Baker Joe Dante would write in and ask how to make a movie certain way like applying make up a certain way or how to make special effects etc. And they wanted to learn how to become better film makers and make money. Some of these guys succeeded. Some started out as independent film makers that worked real hard and who got a chance at making a studio movie. Then they made some good movies. The bottom line is no film maker will make a movie out of his own pocket and let people see it for free. They want to make a profit so they can make a 2nd and 3rd movie. Now believe me back in 1992 there was an awesome remake of Bram Stokers novel Dracula and in 1958 Hammer studios bought the rights of Dracula and a few other of Universals monster to remake those movies. And back in 1931 Universal bought the rights of Dracula to remake the movie from Florence Stoker. The 2 Dracula movies that were made before in Russia 1920 and Hungry 1921 were made without the permission of Florence and Florence stopped a 3rd Dracula movie from being made without her permission in 1922 that movie became Nosferatu instead. And I am sure Universal obtained the rights to remake Frankenstien in 1931 after all Frankenstien had been made twice before in 1910 & 1915. Werewolf movies were not really remakes someone would make a Werewolf movie then someone else made their own and so on all diffrent storys about Werewolfs. The same might be said for Mummy movies except when Hammer remade the old Universal movies. Mary Shelleys Frankenstien movie in 1994 is out standing and of course its a remake of Shelleys famous novel imo its better than Universals 1931 movie. I think Wes Cravens movie The Hills have Eyes back in 1977 is pretty good. If you ask guys like Rick Baker where he learned how to do what he does he will tell you from a guy in NY who use to work on the old horror movies. Phil Tippot of course learned spfx and stop motion by studdying Ray Harryhausen Ray learned from willis O brian about stopmotion effects and the guy who invented stopmotion was Georges Melies. If you look at how each person devolops the art a little better than the person who invented itthen thats a good thing because now better movies can be made. I think the guy who directed TCM in 1974 was Tobe Hooper he also directed the movie Polterguist. Believe me when Tobe was offerd to direct that movie Polterguist he didnt say no and he made a damn good movie. It made lots of money enough to warrent making a sequel. I dont see fans complaining about how Tobe made it for the money do you?
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Hey Jokermoney... Glad to see Im not the only one who really really liked The Butterfly Effect... I loved the plot, creepy scenes and even thought the acting was good. I didnt expect much because it was Ashton Kutcher in it but it was one of the best movies I've seen in a couple years. I've been telling a lot of people to watch this movie.
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Well Austin growing up and reading as a guy who was 12 12 14 years old Famous Monsters Magazine and the Monster Times I can tell you this back in the late 60s early to mid 70s I would see what guys like Steve Speilberg George Lucas Steveen King Rick Baker Joe Dante would write in and ask how to make a movie certain way like applying make up a certain way or how to make special effects etc. And they wanted to learn how to become better film makers and make money. Some of these guys succeeded. Some started out as independent film makers that worked real hard and who got a chance at making a studio movie. Then they made some good movies. The bottom line is no film maker will make a movie out of his own pocket and let people see it for free. They want to make a profit so they can make a 2nd and 3rd movie. Now believe me back in 1992 there was an awesome remake of Bram Stokers novel Dracula and in 1958 Hammer studios bought the rights of Dracula and a few other of Universals monster to remake those movies. And back in 1931 Universal bought the rights of Dracula to remake the movie from Florence Stoker. The 2 Dracula movies that were made before in Russia 1920 and Hungry 1921 were made without the permission of Florence and Florence stopped a 3rd Dracula movie from being made without her permission in 1922 that movie became Nosferatu instead. And I am sure Universal obtained the rights to remake Frankenstien in 1931 after all Frankenstien had been made twice before in 1910 & 1915. Werewolf movies were not really remakes someone would make a Werewolf movie then someone else made their own and so on all diffrent storys about Werewolfs. The same might be said for Mummy movies except when Hammer remade the old Universal movies. Mary Shelleys Frankenstien movie in 1994 is out standing and of course its a remake of Shelleys famous novel imo its better than Universals 1931 movie. I think Wes Cravens movie The Hills have Eyes back in 1977 is pretty good. If you ask guys like Rick Baker where he learned how to do what he does he will tell you from a guy in NY who use to work on the old horror movies. Phil Tippot of course learned spfx and stop motion by studdying Ray Harryhausen Ray learned from willis O brian about stopmotion effects and the guy who invented stopmotion was Georges Melies. If you look at how each person devolops the art a little better than the person who invented itthen thats a good thing because now better movies can be made. I think the guy who directed TCM in 1974 was Tobe Hooper he also directed the movie Polterguist. Believe me when Tobe was offerd to direct that movie Polterguist he didnt say no and he made a damn good movie. It made lots of money enough to warrent making a sequel. I dont see fans complaining about how Tobe made it for the money do you?
no offence .. but if you could start using paragraphs or something on a post this long ... i'd start reading them ..
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Hi Urgeok point taken lol sometimes I just keep typing and oh well
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Well Austin growing up and reading as a guy who was 12 12 14 years old Famous Monsters Magazine and the Monster Times I can tell you this back in the late 60s early to mid 70s I would see what guys like Steve Speilberg George Lucas Steveen King Rick Baker Joe Dante would write in and ask how to make a movie certain way like applying make up a certain way or how to make special effects etc. And they wanted to learn how to become better film makers and make money. Some of these guys succeeded. Some started out as independent film makers that worked real hard and who got a chance at making a studio movie. Then they made some good movies. The bottom line is no film maker will make a movie out of his own pocket and let people see it for free. They want to make a profit so they can make a 2nd and 3rd movie. Now believe me back in 1992 there was an awesome remake of Bram Stokers novel Dracula and in 1958 Hammer studios bought the rights of Dracula and a few other of Universals monster to remake those movies. And back in 1931 Universal bought the rights of Dracula to remake the movie from Florence Stoker. The 2 Dracula movies that were made before in Russia 1920 and Hungry 1921 were made without the permission of Florence and Florence stopped a 3rd Dracula movie from being made without her permission in 1922 that movie became Nosferatu instead. And I am sure Universal obtained the rights to remake Frankenstien in 1931 after all Frankenstien had been made twice before in 1910 & 1915. Werewolf movies were not really remakes someone would make a Werewolf movie then someone else made their own and so on all diffrent storys about Werewolfs. The same might be said for Mummy movies except when Hammer remade the old Universal movies. Mary Shelleys Frankenstien movie in 1994 is out standing and of course its a remake of Shelleys famous novel imo its better than Universals 1931 movie. I think Wes Cravens movie The Hills have Eyes back in 1977 is pretty good. If you ask guys like Rick Baker where he learned how to do what he does he will tell you from a guy in NY who use to work on the old horror movies. Phil Tippot of course learned spfx and stop motion by studdying Ray Harryhausen Ray learned from willis O brian about stopmotion effects and the guy who invented stopmotion was Georges Melies. If you look at how each person devolops the art a little better than the person who invented itthen thats a good thing because now better movies can be made. I think the guy who directed TCM in 1974 was Tobe Hooper he also directed the movie Polterguist. Believe me when Tobe was offerd to direct that movie Polterguist he didnt say no and he made a damn good movie. It made lots of money enough to warrent making a sequel. I dont see fans complaining about how Tobe made it for the money do you?
i know nobody is going to make a movie then let people see it for free,i know that the point of making independent films are to eventually make it to hollywood all i'm saying is when people are doing independent films trying to make it big they try and work harder than they do after they make it. My theory is that they get to comfortable and maybe a little cocky and think that they can make anything and people will like it for example one of the guys you mentioned Wes Craven, The Hills Have Eyes good film made by a hard working director/writer, Last House on the Left great film made by the same hard working director/writer then after awhile came Nightmare on Elm Street another great film by the same hard working director/writer who had finally made it big. Ever since the original Nightmare Wes Craven has been making either ok or just crappy films.
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no offence .. but if you could start using paragraphs or something on a post this long ... i'd start reading them ..
i guess this applies to me as well. I'll do that.
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Well Austin growing up and reading as a guy who was 12 12 14 years old Famous Monsters Magazine and the Monster Times I can tell you this back in the late 60s early to mid 70s I would see what guys like Steve Speilberg George Lucas Steveen King Rick Baker Joe Dante would write in and ask how to make a movie certain way like applying make up a certain way or how to make special effects etc. And they wanted to learn how to become better film makers and make money. Some of these guys succeeded. Some started out as independent film makers that worked real hard and who got a chance at making a studio movie. Then they made some good movies. The bottom line is no film maker will make a movie out of his own pocket and let people see it for free. They want to make a profit so they can make a 2nd and 3rd movie. Now believe me back in 1992 there was an awesome remake of Bram Stokers novel Dracula and in 1958 Hammer studios bought the rights of Dracula and a few other of Universals monster to remake those movies. And back in 1931 Universal bought the rights of Dracula to remake the movie from Florence Stoker. The 2 Dracula movies that were made before in Russia 1920 and Hungry 1921 were made without the permission of Florence and Florence stopped a 3rd Dracula movie from being made without her permission in 1922 that movie became Nosferatu instead. And I am sure Universal obtained the rights to remake Frankenstien in 1931 after all Frankenstien had been made twice before in 1910 & 1915. Werewolf movies were not really remakes someone would make a Werewolf movie then someone else made their own and so on all diffrent storys about Werewolfs. The same might be said for Mummy movies except when Hammer remade the old Universal movies. Mary Shelleys Frankenstien movie in 1994 is out standing and of course its a remake of Shelleys famous novel imo its better than Universals 1931 movie. I think Wes Cravens movie The Hills have Eyes back in 1977 is pretty good. If you ask guys like Rick Baker where he learned how to do what he does he will tell you from a guy in NY who use to work on the old horror movies. Phil Tippot of course learned spfx and stop motion by studdying Ray Harryhausen Ray learned from willis O brian about stopmotion effects and the guy who invented stopmotion was Georges Melies. If you look at how each person devolops the art a little better than the person who invented itthen thats a good thing because now better movies can be made. I think the guy who directed TCM in 1974 was Tobe Hooper he also directed the movie Polterguist. Believe me when Tobe was offerd to direct that movie Polterguist he didnt say no and he made a damn good movie. It made lots of money enough to warrent making a sequel. I dont see fans complaining about how Tobe made it for the money do you?
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How do you know all this shit? lol
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Ever since the original Nightmare Wes Craven has been making either ok or just crappy films.
Get my point.
Case in Point : Chiller:mad:
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