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Old 05-05-2004, 10:49 AM
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Your bioelectricity becomes dormant. Your conciousness disinegrates. You cease to exist...


- Only answer I feel correct about giving, I believe nothing...
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Old 05-05-2004, 02:28 PM
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i actually do believe in a god and a heaven and hell. i'm not super religious or anything (one of my main targets are organized religions, especially catholics) but i do think that there are some things out there. i haven't been to church in a year though... and i think that forcing your religion on someone else or blaming the jews for for jesus' death is completely wrong. and also going door to door asking if i'm ready for jehova's return isn't really cool.

but on the other hand some things about religions are too, strict. i'm not gay but mormons completely denouncing you just because of your sexual reference is a little much. catholicism and sex. muslims and how many times a day they have to pray to allah. just a little bit much for me.


morals have to do with how your opinions on certain things are. its basically how you view everything, be it sex, religion, cheating, etc.

btw, i'm christian in case you couldn't tell
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Old 05-05-2004, 02:33 PM
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Your bioelectricity becomes dormant. Your conciousness disinegrates. You cease to exist...


- Only answer I feel correct about giving, I believe nothing...
Thats exactly how I feel. The only thing that matters is living your life to the fullest because theres nothing after it. I used to believe in God and Heaven and all that stuff, but one day I just thought to myself "Wheres the proof" and I couldn't find an answer.

I try not to push my beliefs (or lack thereof) on anyone, but I have gotten in some pretty heated arguments over it.


About Morals...well I think everyone should have some, they dont necessarily have to fit with society's. Like peoples morals on sex stuff wont ever all be the same, its just a personal desicion.

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Old 05-05-2004, 02:53 PM
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Morality is a creation of societal norms...all that happy shit

Basically, we all are surrounded and stirred into a pot of morality and decision. I think the most basic is "don't kill." Honestly, anything beyond that seems subjective, unfortunately.

Oh and Cheeba....You are Taoist. You can't not be Taoist. :D
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Old 05-05-2004, 03:24 PM
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Well morals are one thing and I know that everyone has different morals about what;s right and what's wrong, well anyway I don't have any real beliefs about religion only about what happens after we die. That's the main thing that counts in my opinion.
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Old 05-05-2004, 06:14 PM
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First of all, let me say it's a subject I really like discussing... LoL

Now, I must say I'm perplexed by how most people here seem to be unable to dissociate morality and religion... Not that it's not a good thing to have a strong moral sense based on religion. It's just strange that most people seem unable to actually establish a difference between them... As if it there wasn't possible to have any kind of morality without religion... Do you know what I mean?

OK, the way I see it... Every human being is moral, in the sense that everyone approves of some things and disapproves of others... And I believe that it's something felt rather than... Hmmmm... Calculated. Still, what one will or won't approve is determined primarily by education, including there life in society... In my humble opinion, morality is born with sociability AND is essential to the maintenance of society... And THAT makes pretty easy to see why EVERY society has some kinda code of morals... LoL...

Guess I should add something... Hope I didn't make anyone think that I believe that morality has a... Well, lesser degree, just because it's a social construction... The way I see it, it's the cornerstone of society... And... Well, guess I don't have to spend much time convincing you guys of how civil life is probably more satisfying than going to the jungle and spending the rest of one's days in isolation, right?

Now, to finish what I wanted to say... It's common for some people to see morality as something really oppressive... Guess we should be careful not to mistake morality for the heinous concepts conservative people all over the world try to make us swallow in the name of it... *sigh*
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Old 05-05-2004, 06:58 PM
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Well plaguewind that is definitely something to be considered wheh it comes to morals. I don't even know how religion cam into the conversation but basically a moral person isn't something that is entirely influenced on society it can be in some cases, but in others it is different considering that everyone thinks differently and feels that somethings matter while other things don't.

There may be some people that diagree with what other people's morals are but no one is right or wrong in the sense that no one is the same. We all think differently, look different even if we are brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers or whatever we may be made up of the same genes but no one is exactly the same. Even twins identical or fraternal are different they may have the same genetic makeup but that doesn't mean that they like everything that the other does. They may like some things but when it comes to morals they may feel differently.

It also depends on what kind of society a person grows up in a religious one means that many people may hold similar morals but none are eaxctly the same.
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Old 05-05-2004, 06:59 PM
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I think religion came up because thats a majority of where people get their morals. basically, 'because GOd says so'

i talked to some people of my friends and they both said while theyre not too deeply in their religion, theyd raise their children on the bible because it teaches them good morals
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Old 05-05-2004, 07:06 PM
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Well plaguewind that is definitely something to be considered wheh it comes to morals. I don't even know how religion cam into the conversation but basically a moral person isn't something that is entirely influenced on society it can be in some cases, but in others it is different considering that everyone thinks differently and feels that somethings matter while other things don't.

There may be some people that diagree with what other people's morals are but no one is right or wrong in the sense that no one is the same. We all think differently, look different even if we are brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers or whatever we may be made up of the same genes but no one is exactly the same. Even twins identical or fraternal are different they may have the same genetic makeup but that doesn't mean that they like everything that the other does. They may like some things but when it comes to morals they may feel differently.

It also depends on what kind of society a person grows up in a religious one means that many people may hold similar morals but none are eaxctly the same.

Well, my friend... First of all, I guess I can say I just had to mention religion because a big part of the answers talked a bit about that...

Now, about morality and society... Well, of course each person has some different "natural" dispositions, but of course society and education play an important role in determining what someone will judge of as right or wrong... In a certain sense, you imply that when you say that people don't necessarily agree with each others beliefs concerning morality... By the way, hope I didn't give the impression that I think everyone approves and disapproves of the same things... What I meant is that everyone approves or disapproves of something...

Ah, if you guys would like to check something interesting about the subject... Well, just let me know, there are some pretty interesting writings on it...
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Old 05-05-2004, 07:07 PM
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Yeah I agree the bible and religion is where most morals do come from but most we decide for ourselves, Or I know I do anyway. Where would any of us be if we followed something that may be incorrect it has to be based on fact, I know saying that the bible is wrong I'm just saying that there are too many people out there that believe in something that there aren't too sure about but there just want something to believe in.

It's what life is all about. Morals and believe in things that may be considered wrong or incorrect but most people still believe for the sake of it. Belief is something that is based on morals and is very much right! We have to believe to continue.
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