Tough critic?

[Festered]

I've seen so many films, I'm super-critical now, and have almost zero tolerance for cliche'. When I hear others gush over films that I feel are tripe, a wave of .....well, irritation comes over me. Like when I noticed that Dark Knight was being hailed as the 2nd greatest movie ever made, at IMDB, even tho it had only been out 2 months. WTF! Still bugs me thinking about it.

[The Mothman]

Originally Posted by Festered

I've seen so many films, I'm super-critical now, and have almost zero tolerance for cliche'. When I hear others gush over films that I feel are tripe, a wave of .....well, irritation comes over me. Like when I noticed that Dark Knight was being hailed as the 2nd greatest movie ever made, at IMDB, even tho it had only been out 2 months. WTF! Still bugs me thinking about it.

I certainly don't think it deserves to be that high up on the list, however i think it deserves a spot on the list none the less

[urgeok2]

i'm a pretty harsh critic ... brutally harsh when it comes to kids movies - since thats the majority of what i've seen in the last several years.


i dont know about horror ... i'm very critical of some things but i apparently like a lot of what other people dont.

i prize cleverness, origionality, and atmoshere above all else in a horror film ...
throw something in front of me that promises these things but delivers none - and i'm pretty resentful that my time has been wasted.

M. Knight Shamalamadingdong owes me big time for the Village .. fucker owes me money.

[Festered]

Originally Posted by The Mothman

I certainly don't think it deserves to be that high up on the list, however i think it deserves a spot on the list none the less

I see it's already fallen to #4, and I wonder where it will be once the next one comes along, or 10 years from now, when the memory of Heath Ledger has faded drastically? After Bruce Lee died, his fans were ardent for 10 to 15 years, but I hardly hear a mention of him now. Same with Elvis.

To me, classic is something that can be watched forever, and still remain fresh. Lawrence of Arabia, The Wild Bunch, Bullitt, Vertigo, Once Upon a Time in the West.

How fresh will FILL IN THE BLANK Part 4 be, 40 years from now, especially with Hwoods generic cookie cutter style of film making today?

[urgeok2]

Originally Posted by Festered

I see it's already fallen to #4, and I wonder where it will be once the next one comes along, or 10 years from now, when the memory of Heath Ledger has faded drastically? After Bruce Lee died, his fans were ardent for 10 to 15 years, but I hardly hear a mention of him now. Same with Elvis.

To me, classic is something that can be watched forever, and still remain fresh. Lawrence of Arabia, The Wild Bunch, Bullitt, Vertigo, Once Upon a Time in the West.

those people you mentioned ... bruce lee fans are still rabid, elvis fans are still rabid they're just getting older and are being grandfathered out.

the films you mentioned - its the same exact thing. some folks who appreciate older films are still rabid about them, but every year kills off older fans and brings in new movie goers who've never heard of those films.

you're just too close to it to see it.


we're talking the general public here - not movie fans who love them so much they'll join forums to discuss them.



elvis movies were largely crap by the way ....
and brice lee made about 5 films in a very specific genre.


i think the Dark Knight went bit beyond the appeal of just a super hero film ... and Heaths Joker will fade out with the general crowd eventually ... but the movie lovers may well remember his performance for a long time. i know i will.

and thats not bad especially since this was marketed as a super hero film and many many people saw it who normally wouldnt see a film like this out of morbid curiosity. fortunately - the film delivered and made a lot of them true fans.

[Hilti88NYC]

Im a fan of older films .Basically late 60's to early90/late 80's.So @ one point I was comparing everything to older stuff,but came to a conclusion that those days are gone, and with that have been more open minded.Not saying I like verything new.But i give more stuff a chance and find there are quit a few gems out there.Stuff I truly enjoy.

I hate the remakes,and Im a huge critic when it comes to that. I dont think I seen one remake of an older film in the theatres,ever.I ust wouldnt.

Fuck Hollywood.Im there biggest critic.:D

[jenna26]

Originally Posted by Hilti88NYC

Im a fan of older films .Basically late 60's to early90/late 80's.So @ one point I was comparing everything to older stuff,but came to a conclusion that those days are gone, and with that have been more open minded.Not saying I like verything new.But i give more stuff a chance and find there are quit a few gems out there.Stuff I truly enjoy.

I hate the remakes,and Im a huge critic when it comes to that. I dont think I seen one remake of an older film in the theatres,ever.I ust wouldnt.

Fuck Hollywood.Im there biggest critic.:D

I'm still often stuck in the past when it comes to movies ('60s, '70s and '80s...mostly), I do like newer films, or hell even love some of them, but I have come to realize I tend to be tougher on the newer stuff then I am on older films. The things that seem to bug me in the newer movies, or the remakes, just don't bother me in older films, or the originals. I have no idea why.

[The Photographer]

I always watch a movie with the mindset of who the movie was intended to be viewed by which is why I understand that horror films are not going to be as good as a scorcese film or a speilberg film. As long as a movie as an original story no matter how stupid i tend to enjoy it. This is also how im able to enjoy romance (chick flicks) and children films.

[Festered]

Originally Posted by urgeok2

those people you mentioned ... bruce lee fans are still rabid, elvis fans are still rabid they're just getting older and are being grandfathered out.

the films you mentioned - its the same exact thing. some folks who appreciate older films are still rabid about them, but every year kills off older fans and brings in new movie goers who've never heard of those films.

you're just too close to it to see it.


we're talking the general public here - not movie fans who love them so much they'll join forums to discuss them.



elvis movies were largely crap by the way ....
and brice lee made about 5 films in a very specific genre.


i think the Dark Knight went bit beyond the appeal of just a super hero film ... and Heaths Joker will fade out with the general crowd eventually ... but the movie lovers may well remember his performance for a long time. i know i will.

and thats not bad especially since this was marketed as a super hero film and many many people saw it who normally wouldnt see a film like this out of morbid curiosity. fortunately - the film delivered and made a lot of them true fans.

I'm not knocking the fact that the film is quality entertainment, but to propel it to classic stature with less than a year of tenure in the minds of fans and average moviegoers, is a bit much. I also believe that if younger movie buffs would take the blinders off, and go past their limited film experiences, they would see newer films for what they are.

I often turn younger fans towards films from long ago, and often they come back stunned at how brilliant they were. I know a 14 year old who's hooked on Chaplin and film noir now. When I first met him, he thought Starship Troopers was a masterpiece. Older films(maybe not so much horror, as they are meant to appeal to the senses) have ideas behind them, at least the good ones. New films(at least a good portion of each years releases, lately) seem to want to do nothing more than throw things at the viewers eyeballs. Hopefully, that trend will change. Last year saw some fairly successful films geared towards a more mature mindset.

[urgeok2]

Originally Posted by Festered

New films(at least a good portion of each years releases, lately) seem to want to do nothing more than throw things at the viewers eyeballs. Hopefully, that trend will change. Last year saw some fairly successful films geared towards a more mature mindset.

thats the one reason why i champion Batman ...

heath Ledger - over hype or not - gave a terrific performance.

i went in guarded .. prepared to accept that the only thing of interest was that he died - but was blown away.

saw it a second time - appreciated it even more. it wasnt the eye candy that sold this - it was the story and performances. I saw it as a really good crime thriller - with a morality tale - as they usually are.

i'm sure this film will be remembered for Heaths unfortunate passing by many .. but i think his actual preformance will be remembered as well .. because it was fantastic.