So, What Exactly IS A 'MAN'?

[Posher778]

Erm. Your ex is such a dunce.

[illdojo]

Originally Posted by Posher778

Erm. Your ex is such a dunce.

Ditto........

[bloodrayne]

Um yeah...Why do you guys think he's the "EX"? :p

Here's a little tip for the girls of the forum...That whole 'staying with him for the kids' sake' doesn't play out very well...I tried it until Seri was 15, when she asked me "Why is he even still here?"...Well, with the realization that even his own kids were sick of his shit, I no longer HAD a reason...And so, he was gone...

[massacre man]

"What makes a man, is it the woman in his arms? Just 'cause she has big titties. Or is it the way he fights every day... no it's probably the titties NOW YOU'RE A MAN! A MAN! MAN! MAN!"

According to Trey Parker and Matt Stone.

[Dante'sInferno]

I never really liked sports or cars as a kid.Just horror movies and......The Terminator.

[meetthecreeper]

Hey sis.

New there was a reason I came here.

How about something from the outermost edge of society.

A man cannot be defined by his possessions or his money but only by his actions. As Quato would say "You are what you do," Nickel to anyone who can reference the film.

Real men dont make excuses, dont blame others for their failures and can admit to their shortcomings.

Real men can paint the sky so that it would take your breath away, make a meal fit for a royal family and write poetry that brings a tear to the eye. We can show compassion and understanding. Love and be assertive.

Fighting. Give me a cause "worth" fighting for and together we will spill blood. And if the women want to join in the war by all means let them. If they feel they have some stake in the cause so be it they win my accolades. Fighting for the sake of fighting makes no sense to me.

Really sis what Alex should be doing is watching the WWE so he can grow to be a man.:rolleyes:

Men should meet all their responsiblities and go beyond that. Sounds to me like Dustin has gone way beyond what one would expect of him and feels unfettered.

What the hell do I know being a social pariah and all.

[bloodrayne]

Originally Posted by meetthecreeper

What the hell do I know being a social pariah and all.

A HELL of a lot more than my ex, that's for damn sure :)

Originally Posted by meetthecreeper

Real men dont make excuses, dont blame others for their failures and can admit to their shortcomings.

Real men can paint the sky so that it would take your breath away, make a meal fit for a royal family and write poetry that brings a tear to the eye. We can show compassion and understanding. Love and be assertive.

This part is excellent...Extremely well said

I love you so much...But, you know that

I wish you would move closer so that Alex would have more POSITIVE male influences in his life...But, you like being out there away from the world and all...I can understand that, too...Kiss the woman and the kids for me :)...I hope you guys are all doing very well...OH, this is starting to get personal:o ...I'll call ya when I get a chance (As you know, baby doesn't give me many of those :))

[Psycom5k]

A man cannot be defined by his possessions or his money but only by his actions. As Quato would say "You are what you do," Nickel to anyone who can reference the film.

Real men dont make excuses, dont blame others for their failures and can admit to their shortcomings.

Real men can paint the sky so that it would take your breath away, make a meal fit for a royal family and write poetry that brings a tear to the eye. We can show compassion and understanding. Love and be assertive.

Fighting. Give me a cause "worth" fighting for and together we will spill blood. And if the women want to join in the war by all means let them. If they feel they have some stake in the cause so be it they win my accolades. Fighting for the sake of fighting makes no sense to me.

Really sis what Alex should be doing is watching the WWE so he can grow to be a man.

Men should meet all their responsiblities and go beyond that.

OK I agree with almost everything that they said, accept a few things, the poetry thing definatly isn't something that is required to be a man. but pretty much heres what i think a man is.
A real man, knows when to fight, never picks one, and knows when to stop fighting.
He supports his loved ones, instead of OVERLY pretecting them. He has to know when to let go, or let them learn for themselves.
He knows when he is wrong.
He takes care of his resposibilities and does everything he can to do more, but if he cannot fulfill is responsibilites he at least tries his hardest and gives everything he can to try to fulfill them.
He always has an open mind about things, especially when it comes to his children or others children, he should know that not everything/one has to be the way he wants them.
HES NOT FULL OF HIMSELF.
A man is not an asshole. Doesn't treat people like garbage.
Hes always there for his freinds and family, whether it be for advice or a shoulder to cry on.
A real man knows that its ok to cry.
Finally, a real man will give his life to save a loved one.


By the way, this is coming from a guy incase anybody wanted to know

[bloodrayne]

Originally Posted by Psycom5k

A real man, knows when to fight, never picks one, and knows when to stop fighting.
He supports his loved ones, instead of OVERLY pretecting them. He has to know when to let go, or let them learn for themselves.
He knows when he is wrong.
He takes care of his resposibilities and does everything he can to do more, but if he cannot fulfill is responsibilites he at least tries his hardest and gives everything he can to try to fulfill them.
He always has an open mind about things, especially when it comes to his children or others children, he should know that not everything/one has to be the way he wants them.
HES NOT FULL OF HIMSELF.
A man is not an asshole. Doesn't treat people like garbage.
Hes always there for his freinds and family, whether it be for advice or a shoulder to cry on.
A real man knows that its ok to cry.
Finally, a real man will give his life to save a loved one.


By the way, this is coming from a guy incase anybody wanted to know

Extremely good response...I'm certainly NOT going to disagree with any of that

[dewaholic]

Originally Posted by bloodrayne

I am SO sick of this 'macho man' type bullshit...I can't stand guys who think that drinking, fighting, and driving a truck is what makes a male person a 'MAN'

Alex and Seri's father have informed them that:

@ Alex: "You shouldn't be cooking (only your MOTHER should do that), you should be mowing the lawn...You're too skinny, you need to 'workout', and you need to learn to fight..."...etcetera

So, I told him "How can you tell a kid who's almost 13 that he's too incompetent to use a stove but he should be operating a lawnmower? That's a little confusing, dontcha think?"..."Alex is a very loving, caring, sensitive, intelligent individual, NOT physical, and there isn't a DAMNED thing wrong with that"...Alex has a heart condition, he certainly doesn't need the heat and exertion that mowing (especially THIS yard) would put on him, and Alex LOVES to cook, when he was 6 years old (and helping me to make pineapple upside down cake, cookies, etcetera) he said he wanted to own a bakery...But his father never thinks about things like that, or how anyone else feels...And I have tried to teach Alex that fighting is STUPID and unnecessary, unless you have to defend yourself...I have taught him that you never hit anyone smaller or weaker than you, and you NEVER hit a female, nor do you instigate a fight...There are far better, more intelligent ways to deal with things...His father will never understand the importance of BRAINS over braun

@ Seri: "Why don't you find a REAL man, instead of going out with these pussies?"...Seri has had 2 boyfriends...Her father was CONSTANTLY challenging them to fight with him to 'see what you're made of...See if you could protect my daughter' God, he's SUCH a caveman...They refused, so they weren't 'good enough for her'...They didn't drink or smoke, and they were more into music and computers than fighting and acting stupid...And I have some bad news for Seri's father, Seri kinda likes somewhat 'girly guys'...And I often wonder if it's BECAUSE OF her father...

Some 'men' think that as long as you work hard (whether you use the money you make to pay the BILLS or not:rolleyes:, or meet all of your responsibilities) that you are a 'real man', and if you happen to get a few dents in your truck from ramming some guy's head into it at a bar, well that's just what 'men' do...I'm gonna have to disagree

Dustin is the COMPLETE opposite of my ex...That's why we're still together ;)...And Dustin always helps me to calm Alex down when his father has made him feel like shit

Dustin is not a fighter (but he WILL defend himself and his family if necessary, although we're intelligent enough not to put ourselves in the types of situations where defense would likely be necessary in the first place)...He's a sensitive person, a musician, a writer, a thinker, a computer nerd and an excellent cook...All of the things that my ex considers to be 'weak', and things that he could never be

My ex makes exactly SIX times more money than Dustin (which my ex thinks is an indication that he is a 'better MAN' than Dustin), but my ex is deep in debt (as he has ALWAYS been), and can't manage to pay his bills on time, OR pay child support (which is fine by me, because the less contact the better)...Dustin, with much less income, manages to pay all of our bills AND pick up the slack in taking care of Alex and doing things for Seri, because their father is always broke...and Dustin has NEVER complained about that

In my eyes, Dustin is the 'real MAN'...And if he's NOT considered a man by majority standards, then fine, I'll just take whatever the hell he IS


The reason I actually made this thread (besides venting :p) is to:

1) Get some responses from the females to see what THEY consider a 'man' to be...Everyone has their own opinion, maybe I'll find out that mine is different from most, or maybe my thoughts will be supported...Either way, it would be interesting to find out

2) Find out what the guys really think it means to be a REAL man

3) See if the definitions for a 'man' are different in the eyes of the females and the males...I think this part will be most interesting...Perhaps even help to understand part of the miscommunication between males and females...And emphasize the difference in mentalities between men and women


Heh...Do you guys EVER get tired of feeling like my 'test subjects'?...I can't help it, human psychology enthralls me...So, please just humor me, huh? :)

I only quoted this cuz I'm making cookies, might hafta get up & I'd forget what I was replying to. Cookies are actually the only thing I like to make. Other than that, the most complex thing I would make would be a cheeseburger.
Which smoothly now goes to talk about "real men": A real man can cook, clean, help out etc. I'm not with anyone & forever will be single, cuz I prefer it that way. And a real woman can even mow the lawn. These things of course aren't gender specific anymore like they were in say the 1950's or so.
Besides there's lots of male chefs. (better them than me) I say if your son wants to cook, you should somehow have him cook in front of your ex. Now I'm thinking of barbecue...Why is it ok if a guy barbecues, but not ok if a guy say bakes a cake? (from views of ppl like your ex) Your ex (like mine) is a moron. We should ship the exes off to another planet. But unlike you, I don't have my ex pay anything. In fact, I believe he's in jail, but that's a whole nother topic.
OK I'll quit rambling.