In Order To Be Fair, I Need The Opinions Of EVERY Member Of This Forum...Old And New

[bloodrayne]

Okay...I want to respond to ALL of the posts that you guys made while I was typing out my last post...Cuz...I type s-l-o-w-l-y :D

Gimme a sec...Or...a couple

[slasherman]

..the only reason to ban someone is when somebody deliberately tries to sabotage this forum...namecalling and such must be tolerated...even words like; loser, you fucking whore, fucking noob, cocksucker......spamming is sabotage....

[Phalanx]

Oh hey, now there's a productive response...

First of all, I think everybody can draw the line between a bit of ball-busting among friends and associates, and an insult/insinuation/statement of malicious intent.

As for profanity...I personally don't think "cunt" "cocksucker", and any or all insults/words of a derogatory nature in regard to sexual preferance, or race should be ablt to enter into the forum.

Shit, bullshit, fuck...whatever, those are pretty commonplace and as long as theyre used within moderation, that's ok.

The other stuff, however is a little overboard, considering the problems we've had with some of the younger members parents...etc, and no doubt how the horror community is viewed at large, I think there's certain limits to the profanity that should be enforced.

Besides the point of the thread, but, I think that slasherman bought up a valid point, in his way...

[Zero]

*Edited because I got one of the names wrong - sorry*
BR-

I think you did the right thing here. It is unfortunate that some in the forum don't like each other and even more unfortunate that they seem to seek each other out to demonstrate their dislike for all to see.

I don't think there is any logic in the claim that the letter of the law must be absolute or the law is meaningless. No system of actual jurisprudence functions that way - there are interpretations of the law, precedents, case-law, etc. All these are ways of saying that a given community has rules but always applies those rules to a given situation in ways that are sensitive to the particulars of that situation.

What is really at stake here - I think - is whether we want to put the power of interpreting the rules and applying them to a given situation in the hands of the moderators. In other words are the mods to be the judges who decide these questions. I think the only logical answer is 'yes.' The other alternatives are: 1) Allow the wronged party to decide if a rule was broken. In this case we would allow Cheeba to decide that the unpleasant things said about him are a violation and, in effect, allow him to ban Dep. Two problems with this - 1) it would be too intensely subjective (I mean I could take offense at being called a "silly monkey" if I were in a particularly bad mood and then demand that the person be banned even though I have called myself a monkey on many occassions (though never silly - hmm). . . and 2) in practical terms this would probably end up with everyone being banned (hell, i might even ban myself). A second alternative would be to allow each person to decide for themselves if they did or did not violate the rules - so in this case Dep would decide if he was in violation. . I think this one is obviously unworkable and would lead us back to the days of endless STFU NOOB posts *shudders*

The only viable alternative to the dilemma is to have some neutral third party decide on rule violations. In our configuration those are mods. The only way I could see to improve this situation (if people really really feel certain mods are being unfair) would be to have occassional 'elections' where, perhaps a certain mod could be given a vote of 'no confidence.'

But, in principle, it seems to me that BR is the mod and in my experience is fair and reasonable in her judgments. So I give my full vote of confidence and my genuine hope that people can either get along or at least stay out of each other's way.

Peace out!

[Phalanx]

my genuine hope that people can either get along or at least stay out of each other's way.

I would hope so too, it's my reason for bringing this all up in the first place.
I cannot claim complete innocence in terms of things said and wrongdoing in the past, but right now, I'm here to post. I like the conversations I have with people here, which is why I returned.
I didn't return to be insulted, or baited into taking a step towards the negative again...I'm the first to admit I have a short fuse, but I'm trying not to let that effect me, it doesn't help when a person/people make it their sole intention to ignite it.

[Zero]

Originally posted by Phalanx
I would hope so too, it's my reason for bringing this all up in the first place.
I cannot claim complete innocence in terms of things said and wrongdoing in the past, but right now, I'm here to post. I like the conversations I have with people here, which is why I returned.
I didn't return to be insulted, or baited into taking a step towards the negative again...I'm the first to admit I have a short fuse, but I'm trying not to let that effect me, it doesn't help when a person/people make it their sole intention to ignite it.

its a good point and i for one think its good to raise and discuss. its almost a pity we can't have that ignore key you get in some chat rooms so you could just not see the posts of certain members (of course if that were the case all my posts would be invisible :( )

:D

[Angelakillsluts]

Originally posted by Phalanx

The other stuff, however is a little overboard, considering the problems we've had with some of the younger members parents...etc, and no doubt how the horror community is viewed at large, I think there's certain limits to the profanity that should be enforced.

Agreed. Glad to see you come back btw :)

Here's the thing, Bloodrayne...you're a moderator, right? And you're not a robot, you're a person. Your decision on what "crosses the line" is up to your interpretation. There's NO WAY to accurately DEFINE when something someone types is offensive or malicious. It's purely up to the interpretation of the person looking at it. It's a hard job!

BR: I think you're doing a great job at pretty much singlehandedly moderating this place.

[Ooky_Kabuki]

Originally posted by slasherman
..the only reason to ban someone is when somebody deliberately tries to sabotage this forum...namecalling and such must be tolerated...even words like; loser, you fucking whore, fucking noob, cocksucker......spamming is sabotage....

I don't agree with this-this post is going too far (yet I did have to click to read it cause this person is on my ignore list). I'm a newbie and I have been treated pretty bad so far and if this kind of stuff keeps up I don't want to be associated with this forum and I would/will encourage others to do the same if I decide to leave.

That being said, I think that we need to use common sense. If you don't want to be called a loser or worse or a "spammer" because you post one message then you should show other people the respect that you think YOU deserve.

If you call someone a loser or anything else I think you should expect to see consequences. As adults in this society, we don't have to tolerate such conduct. Yes, I know that we have a First Amendment right (I AM in law school) to freedom of speech, but as the former post says-Your rights stop where other's rights begin-and we all have the right to NOT be a part of this kind of activity.

While it's true that we can turn the other cheek, we shouldn't HAVE to do so because we are ALL allowed in the forum and we all have rights. Respect them all and be nice to eachother and then you won't see these type of discussions.

As I said in one of my posts before, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Keep your opinions to yourself and you won't have these problems. If you must disagree, just respectfully dissent and don't harrass (I have been harrassed already because I posted a thread in the correct place (in upcoming horror movies) about Sin-Jin Smyth).


Therefore, I agree with some of the others in stating that the post saying this has to stop will be undermined and will have absolutely no meaning if offensive language and conduct of any kind should be punished. After all, that person can come back with a different handle if he sees fit. All he has to do is 5 minutes of extra work to come back. I think it's all fair.

[Ooky_Kabuki]

Originally posted by Zero
its a good point and i for one think its good to raise and discuss. its almost a pity we can't have that ignore key you get in some chat rooms so you could just not see the posts of certain members (of course if that were the case all my posts would be invisible :( )

:D

We do have ignore. Click on the person's profile and hit ignore on the bottom. There are a few that I can't see their posts without clicking them.

[Zero]

my god . . . i could have been ignoring all of you idiots the entire time. . . then my real fantasy of a HDC made up of only my posts would finally come true!!!


JOY!!:D