fucking terrifying

[Miss Olivia]

It doesn't suprise me at all.
People have been brainwashed, robbed, tortured, and killed in the name of religion since the beginning of humanity. And it's not simply Scientology, either. Look back at the causes of most wars, conflicts and strife. A difference of belief can be a terminal condition if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time...

[PR3SSUR3]

Bush and Blair still name "God" as their influence in important killing decisions.

Perhaps one day we'll get round to launching a War on Religion instead, if enough aetheists can muster up enough numbers and nuclear bombs.

[The STE]

there's nothing wrong with religion. It's the dumb fucks who use it as a reason for hurting others that's the problem

[PR3SSUR3]

I would say the persistent commitment to and worship of an illogical concept based on absolutely no facts is wrong - offensively wrong in its stupidity - and often leads to neglect of life through blind optimism of a better 'death'.

Thats the hardcore - the casual Christians among us just like to think they are saying and doing enough to be in with 'God' in the off chance that there might be a Heaven.

Religion is little more than fear - fear that if you do not subscribe to it there could be no more of your essence when you die.

[The STE]

if you think it's stupid, then that's fine for you, but talking like religious types are in any way inferior and calling for a war on religion is on par with the religious types who say people who are not of their religion are inferior

[PR3SSUR3]

Let's get the crux of any religion - a belief that a supernatural power has created everything and can reward or punish us. It has as much grounds to be talked about as Santa Claus.

A huge bandwagon, religion is for pathetic souls unable to accept or embrace their evolved existence and individual capabilities on earth.

We are one in Him, as He is one in us. He is one in you, and you are all of Him. You are all of His bread, as we are one in his wine. (etc).

What sense is this kind of preaching?

Most religious types are old and/or creepy - not to mention that a worrying percentage of those who convey The Lord's messages have been exposed as filthy paedophiles. And how come so many homosexuals work for The Church, when the act is denounced in the cornerstone of Christianity - The Bible?

So a load of invisible illogical happenings and promises are declared by a bunch of wierdos and hypocrites, to be lapped up by old ladies, the bereaved and that strange kid at school.

Common sense will always prevail over religion - none of it adds up whatsoever, therefore it remains an inferior existence to preoccupy oneself with magical idealistic fantasy you desperately want to believe is real as opposed to watching horror films and not giving that shit the time of day.

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[The STE]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
[B]Let's get the crux of any religion - a belief that a supernatural power has created everything and can reward or punish us. It has as much grounds to be talked about as Santa Claus.

You seem to be only talking about the Judeo-Christian religions, ignoring Buddhism, Deism, and others. And there are plenty of Christians that believe in evolution and the like

Most religious types are old and/or creepy - not to mention that a worrying percentage of those who convey The Lord's messages have been exposed as filthy paedophiles. And how come so many homosexuals work for The Church, when the act is denounced in the cornerstone of Christianity - The Bible?

Ignoring the questionable-at-best generalization about religious types being old/creepy, the homosexuality issue is not absolute throughout Christianity. There are entire denominations in Christianity (I was raised in one) that do not believe that homosexuality is a sin. I would question your "worrying percentage" comment, but any percentage above 0 is worrying enough.

So a load of invisible illogical happenings and promises are declared by a bunch of wierdos and hypocrites, to be lapped up by old ladies, the bereaved and that strange kid at school.

Again, generalizations. Not everybody who is Christian thinks the bible is literally true.

Common sense will always prevail over religion - none of it adds up whatsoever, therefore it remains an inferior existence to preoccupy oneself with magical idealistic fantasy you desperately want to believe is real as opposed to watching horror films and not giving that shit the time of day.

you're assuming that what some people (not discluding myself) think of as common sense will change someone's fundamental beliefs. It won't.


Look, you can believe whatever you want, but when you start thinking that your beliefs make you better than anybody else, ANYBODY else, then you're just like anybody of any religion that think that people who aren't of their religion are inferior. End of story.

[Haunted]

Pr33sur3,
You obviously don't understand what religion is at all. If you're basing religion as a whole purely from an anti Christian view then you're misrepresenting a billion others.

Also, as humans, we look to everything under the cosmos for comfort, and that totally includes so-called reason. We desire to understand how everything connects and how it works. The fact is, you can't prove or disprove anything...at all.

My physics professor (was a PhD of physics, mind) once told me during one of our conversations, "Any scientist worth his salt that tells you any of our laws and theories are set in stone is full of it. We honestly just don't know all of this stuff beyond a shadow of a doubt."

A war on religion...That very well may be the funniest pile of horse shit I've heard coming from someone in a long time. Sounds like you need to take a lesson from the ostrich. The point is, my budding fascist, is that you should never go to war, no matter what you think (and this goes for all and sundry) to enforce a point of view on someone else.

I'm not sure if you were joking or not, but having studied religion for the years I spent earning my BA, I didn't find it humorous. If I were Jewish, I'd probably be really pissed off.

By the way, there is no such thing as "supernatural." There is only nature.

[Miss Olivia]

Unfortunately, the bad in anything can and frequently will be brought out to overshadow the good, and that is the crux of the problem. There is not enough appreciation for our similarities, only conflict over our differences.
Tolerance is a terribly rare thing when comparing religions.

[PR3SSUR3]

There are not many professions that seem to attract as many paedophiles as working for The Church. There are a disproportionate number of paedophiles doing God's work, and The Catholic Church has a dubious record of dealing with them.

Kiddie fiddling - nature's alternative to dedicated celibacy?


http://www.answers.com/topic/roman-c...ex-abuse-cases


So there is no definitive version of any religion - in some you can be gay when you also cannot, in some we evolved from apes when we were also created in 6 days... it seems many want to shape their religion to suit themselves. And why not? Anything is possible in such mindsets - just go create your own, or modify an existing one.

I do not care about changing anybody's fundamental beliefs - but it is regrettably impossible to give much dignity to such a logically flawed system. I would say the learning about and understanding of things through evidence and experience is the most productive way of spending one's lifetime - if I did not think this was 'better', I would allocate a lot of this valuable time to religious theories instead. You do not need to 'believe' in a successful manuscript or how a tree works or why there is an eclipse - just do it, research it or watch it happen. It's all biomechanics and maths.

Of course you can 'prove' things - what a ridiculous statement. Yet, a common one from those who cannot handle finalities and certainties because they interfere with a belief system that everything must remain so mysterious and inconclusive, possibly because the scientists who make these discoveries also discover destructive things like nuclear bombs or unethical breakthroughs like stem cell research (don't tell me - there are religions where all that stuff is allowed too). Never let some mystical fantasy be interrupted by the results of years and years of dedicated technologically aided research.

If its generalisation that bothers you, let me direct you to The Oxford English Dictionary: human recognition of superhuman controlling power of a personal God or Gods entitled to obedience and worship. Granted, it also refers simply to a particular system of faith and worship, but when it all boils down to it people from various religions are conducting irrational rituals, propogating unsolid, unlikely, unproven myths and warning against non-compliance like sufferers from OCD must complete their daily tasks 'so everything will be alright'. What is the point - togetherness? Well-being? What changes are made to the world by faith in invisible, omnipotent deities apart from new routines and respect of 'good' rules that decency and common sense can provide in a far less authoritarian fashion and without suggesting we are 'wrong' and 'sinners' if we do not always follow them?

Well there is global war, for starters, and the aforementioned new concentration of child sex offenders in The Catholic Church at least.

I was kind of joking about the War on Religion, since so many people follow one to varying degress. However since you are suggesting I'm a Nazi, I'm changing it to a War on Hippies.


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