I've got a question for those who seen Italian cannibal movies.

[IDrinkYourBlood]

Im a meber of PETA.....People Eatting Tasty Animals.


totally made that one up.

[PR3SSUR3]

Real animal slaughter does add a vital element of danger to films such as Cannibal Holocaust, hence the term "guilty pleasure".

It can't be condoned, but it's been done and this kind of work exists so there you go.

Fortunately very few filmakers in very few countries could get away with it today.

Hold on, I've just remembered: all the animal killings are faked - it's the human killings that are real.

[noctuary]

Yes, I do think it's wrong, which is largely why I avoid such movies. I'm not some animal rights fanatic. I eat meat, and I don't disagree with animal testing in certain situations. What bothers me is when animals are made to pointlessly suffer or die.

[novakru]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3


Hold on, I've just remembered: all the animal killings are faked - it's the human killings that are real.

I don't have a problem with THAT.

And I concur with Noc,I think we have moved passed the time where killing animals is amusing.

[PR3SSUR3]

What troubles me about some of those who remind us of animal rights, is that they can be selective.

For example, it is wholly unacceptable for anything remotely cute - such as a muskrat, a monkey or a turtle (all butchered or deliberately sent to their deaths in several Italian cannibal productions) - to be messed with.

But those same people might squash a fly, spider or even rodent to death in their own houses (it's doesn't take much more effort and is less messy to throw the creatures outside instead, but sadly chasing flying/scuttling beasts around the house with weapons has become something of a sport in some households).

As novakru points out, would human "snuff" be more palatable than on-screen animal cruelty?

[Narg]

It is unnecessary but as far as condemning older films that already have that footage, that's just too much for me.

[ChEEbA]

Real animal slaughter does add a vital element of danger to films such as Cannibal Holocaust, hence the term "guilty pleasure".

I personally found that in the case of cannibal holocaust, it didn't add anything but even more of a distasteful feel to it. Some people are into that, I myself, am not.

We probably meant the same thing, from two different viewpoints.

But those same people might squash a fly, spider or even rodent to death in their own houses (it's doesn't take much more effort and is less messy to throw the creatures outside instead, but sadly chasing flying/scuttling beasts around the house with weapons has become something of a sport in some households).

Nope, generally I won't kill anything unless it's an infestation or something. More often than not, where I live, it'll be a large spider...I'd never kill a spider. Far too useful.
However, if I actually kill something (usually fleas on my cat, or flies, using spray/powder) there's some measure of neccessity, eg - they are making my house unconfortable or filthy, it's the same thing I said before in regards to eating meat - there's no comparison. Sure, in the case of sadist fucks that chase down and kill everything in their immediate area, they'd probably love seeing much the same in film, but not me.

It is unnecessary but as far as condemning older films that already have that footage, that's just too much for me.

I didn't like the film...like I said, that was just my opinion. I'm not telling anyone they shouldn't watch it, so I'm not really condemning the film, rather, I'm condemning those that made it.

[noctuary]

Since PR3SSUR3 brought it up, I'll chime in that the same thing annoys me as well. Kinda makes you wonder... Remember when there was the furor over dolphins being caught in tuna nets? Would there have been the same reaction if it had been barracuda being caught in those nets? Unlikely. At one time, I owned several snakes. It would piss me off to no end when Petsmart would refuse to sell me mice to feed my snakes with. Yes, the mice are cute and cuddly and whatnot, and my snakes weren't. That doesn't mean they don't have the right to eat and live as well.

Hmmm, got kind of off-topic there.

[ChEEbA]

Remember when there was the furor over dolphins being caught in tuna nets? Would there have been the same reaction if it had been barracuda being caught in those nets? Unlikely

I always saw the dolphin thing as an unfortunate side effect of fishing for something that dolphins also use as a food source, they unknowingly put themselves in harms way.
My MAIN issue is that when I buy a can of tuna, I want it to be just that...so I object to ANYTHING being caught but tuna. I myself buy greenseas tuna, which claims to be dolphin free...all I can really do is believe them. As for the comparison to barracuda, well, I think theyre pretty cool myself, so personally I WOULD find it dissapointing, however...dolphins are a more intelligent, and human friendly species, they can even be trained to detect cancer/tumours...etc. They're one of a few species that actually expresses an interest and curiousity not unlike our own, to communicate with, and relate to other species. To kill these creatures under ANY circumstances really IS a shame, but hey...again, my main issue is - I don't wanna eat something I haven't purchased specifically.

re: The snake thing -
When a snake is in the wild, it's natural state - it will prefer to eat all manner of things live. However, it's been proven that these animals CAN consume insects (available live at most pet shops I know), and frozen mice/rats. Yes, of course the snake would most likely prefer to be fed these live mice, but some would argue it'd also much rather be living in the wild, and not as a pet.
In my experience, reptiles don't really like being kept as pets, but that's just my take. I'm only really writing this to let you know that there ARE perfectly suitable alternatives - I myself am not against feeding live mice to pet snakes (although I must say, I'd prefer mice were used over rats)...as again, it's not solely for entertainment...however entertaining a snake eating one may be, it's still essentially for the survival of the creature.
I guess I am a little biased, but not in terms of cute and cuddly, rather intelligence and personality.

[Narg]

Originally posted by ChEEbA
I didn't like the film...like I said, that was just my opinion. I'm not telling anyone they shouldn't watch it, so I'm not really condemning the film, rather, I'm condemning those that made it. [/B]

Totally agree, I wouldn't exactly praise them for it if I ever met them in person either. I don't like seeing it at all but I've certainly seen worse.