Political Opinion, so bare with me.........

[Iniquity]

Things to make you think a little……

1.There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January…. In the fair city of Chicago there were 35 murders in the month of January. That’s just ONE American City, about as deadly as the entire “war torn” country of Iraq.
2.When some claim President Bush shouldn’t have started this war, remember the following…
a.FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us. Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost an average of 112,5000 per year.
b.TRUMAN finished that war and started one with Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.
c.JOHN F. KENNEDY started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson, turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost an average of 5,800 per year.
d.CLINTON went to war with Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden’s head on a platter three times by the Sudan and did nothing. Osama HAS attacked us on multiple occasions.
3.In the 4 years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled the al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
4.The Democrats are complaining about long the war is taking, but…. It took less time to take Iraq that it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.
5.We’ve been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
6.It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to detroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick killing a woman.


NOTHING is worse for a soldier than to hear his/her own people denounce the cause they are sworn to fight. If you dont agree with the cause, *whatever it may be* put that energy into SUPPORTING those men and women and giving them a reason to want to come back home. Dont judge them for the things they have done, yes there are those that act on their own accord, but more times than not, they are ONLY doing as they were ordered. Trying their best to avoid becoming a statistic. Go to woundedwarriorproject.org if you truly care about them. Support them. THEY WILL NEED IT. Even the ones that come back healthy physically will still have some problems. No One can see the things they have seen and endured the horrors they have endured and not have mental problems to some degree afterwards.

Yes there are those out there that hate Bush, guess what? There isnt a damn thing you can do about it and HE knows it. This is his last term, he doesnt have to worry about re-election. Fix the things you can.

Yeah. Have fun! :p

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by azathoth777
Draft... when did he start that. I knew they were trying(and it was Democrats who introduced the bill, not Bush). As far as I knew it had been shot down.

You are correct...There is/was NO draft...And I highly doubt that there ever WILL be again...

[Babygurl20]

Originally posted by Iniquity
Things to make you think a little……

1.There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January…. In the fair city of Chicago there were 35 murders in the month of January. That’s just ONE American City, about as deadly as the entire “war torn” country of Iraq.
2.When some claim President Bush shouldn’t have started this war, remember the following…
a.FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us. Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost an average of 112,5000 per year.
b.TRUMAN finished that war and started one with Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.
c.JOHN F. KENNEDY started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson, turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost an average of 5,800 per year.
d.CLINTON went to war with Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden’s head on a platter three times by the Sudan and did nothing. Osama HAS attacked us on multiple occasions.
3.In the 4 years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled the al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
4.The Democrats are complaining about long the war is taking, but…. It took less time to take Iraq that it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.
5.We’ve been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
6.It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to detroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick killing a woman.


NOTHING is worse for a soldier than to hear his/her own people denounce the cause they are sworn to fight. If you dont agree with the cause, *whatever it may be* put that energy into SUPPORTING those men and women and giving them a reason to want to come back home. Dont judge them for the things they have done, yes there are those that act on their own accord, but more times than not, they are ONLY doing as they were ordered. Trying their best to avoid becoming a statistic. Go to woundedwarriorproject.org if you truly care about them. Support them. THEY WILL NEED IT. Even the ones that come back healthy physically will still have some problems. No One can see the things they have seen and endured the horrors they have endured and not have mental problems to some degree afterwards.

Yes there are those out there that hate Bush, guess what? There isnt a damn thing you can do about it and HE knows it. This is his last term, he doesnt have to worry about re-election. Fix the things you can.

You make some really good points. Thanks for such an insightful view. Thanks for the website info to. I intend to go there, and I do intend to do something about this, even if it is only a small deed.

[The STE]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
You are correct...There is/was NO draft...And I highly doubt that there ever WILL be again...

Good, cause if there is then I'm hitchhiking my ass to Canada

[Iniquity]

Originally posted by Babygurl20
You make some really good points. Thanks for such an insightful view. Thanks for the website info to. I intend to go there, and I do intend to do something about this, even if it is only a small deed.

you are quite welcome and you can also go to www.anysoldier.com . this is a website for setting up carepackages for soldiers in the field. most of them cant leave post to aquire the things they need like toilet paper, toothpaste, deodorant etc, and while they have been getting a steady supply of these items the things they really need are things to help them ease their minds. Magazines, DVD's, CD's, CANDY, books, games, *no decks of cards, all of the casino's in the US have made sure they have PLENTY enough of those to go around*, stuff like that.

the flat rate shipping on the boxes is pretty cheap too. you can go to the site and either pick one particular soldier, or just send random ones that can go to anyone *some are there and have no family back home to send them packages*, getting no mail after evening chow is like getting kicked in the nuts, trust me.

[ItsAlive75]

Originally posted by The STE
Good, cause if there is then I'm hitchhiking my ass to Canada

That's pretty much all you can do... I heard something about America making a deal with Mexico that they would send us back if there was ever a draft... probably bullshit though.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Babygurl20
Bush's first statement before being re elected was that he would not start a draft. What is the first fucking thing he did when he got in office. Started a draft, and whats worse is he sent the reserves in first!!!!

Do you know what the word 'draft' means?...To 'draft' means to call in citizens who have NOT joined the military, in ANY compacity, to fight for their country...It is only implemented when it is decided that the regular military forces are not enough, and we need additional help

This happened in Vietnam...NOT now...

A person who is in the reserves can NOT be drafted, because they HAVE signed up for military duty (on a sort of 'if needed' basis)...Meaning that they, themselves, have agreed to fight if the regular military forces are not enough

Reserves are only called in when it is decided that the military forces are not enough...Therefore, reserves CAN NOT/WOULD NOT be called in FIRST...They are 'extra' forces...

The only people who have been sent into conflict are the people who joined the military...Meaning that they made a vow to fight and protect their country if there was a war...No one FORCED anyone to fight...They made that decision themselves when they joined...

Not trying to argue...Just educate...Opinions should be based on facts...

[fannyface]

I quite agree with you there Bloodrayne and i don't understand that when there's so much unjustice and poverty in the world that people want to send the soldiers cds, dvds and fucking candy!

[Iniquity]

Originally posted by fannyface
i don't understand that when there's so much unjustice and poverty in the world that people want to send the soldiers cds, dvds and fucking candy!

Because they arent fighting 24/7. They *the people you seem to claim are blind to the hmmmm what the hell, unjustice *injustice* and poverty in the world* are attempting to give the soldiers comfort when it is otherwise, not available. Go serve over there, or anywhere for that matter where the conditions are the same, sleep in holes in the ground, clutching your rifle to your chest, prepared to defend yourself in a moments notice and relax all you want. Until you are there, or in a situation similar, dont knock it.