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Old 10-30-2003, 05:09 PM
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Fuck what people say, Video games and movies don't do shit. If I wanted to blow some hookers head off with a shotgun then I would and if I did'int then a video game would not persuade me to do so. All those kids parents that know there kids are fucked up are to busy shootin up drugs in there shitty ass tralier to realize there kids are about to take it to the next level(Kill somone) so they blame the video game instead of there shitty parenting:mad:
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Old 10-30-2003, 05:55 PM
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Long before there was videogames and movies.. people will killing each other.. in fact.. people were killing each other in ways that rival anything you see in horror movies..

People seem to forget about this
and if anything i think that we have gotten LESS violent over ther years.. It just appears to not be the case because the media will latch onto a story and exploit the hell out of it and have so called "experts" analyze the situation and discuss who should be blamed .. but never say "well.. these people are just messed up in the head and they did some fucked up things.. lets lock em up so they dont hurt anyone again"
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Old 10-30-2003, 08:59 PM
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I hate when stupid government officials blame movies/video games/music for tragedies in society. There are a few instances where kids want to immitate wrestlers or their favorite super heroes or whatever, but besides that it has no effect at all. The world's fucked up. Plain and simple. This happened 100's of years ago, and there's nothing we can do to fix it.
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Old 10-30-2003, 09:08 PM
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Society has truely taken a nose dive when video games and movies are a scape goat for their laziness.. GET OFF YOUR ASS RAISE YOUR KIDS SHIT YOU BROUGHT 'EM IN THIS WORLD..YOUR RESPONSIBILITY....WHAT THEY DO REFLECTS WHAT YOU DO OR LACK TO DO. PARENTAL GUIDENCE ITS A BITCH..DEAL WITH IT
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Old 10-30-2003, 09:21 PM
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people do bizzare things like murder because its in our nature to kill, weve been doing it since the first man and wel do it till the last.
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Old 10-30-2003, 09:31 PM
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Im really curious according to the idea movies and video games are the cause of adolesent "EVIL"...what games and movies was Jeffery Daumer, Charles Manson, and the Hill side Stranglers playing and watching...because if it was a RPG.. i can believe it...lol :) ...seriously though I would like to know there entertainment choices with movies and games. I bet it was that damn Mr. Rogers he could do it to anyone...:P Pac man must have been a huge influence on Daumer..hehehe
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Old 10-31-2003, 08:11 AM
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Excellent, these were the responses that I thought that i would get. I think that the people that cant take responsibility for their actions are in the minority in this world but, they are the ones that whine the loudest so the squeaky wheel gets the most grease. I think that without horror films and the like society would be much more violent than it was 100 to a 1000 years ago. Horror films are like our modern day gladiator arena, "are you not entertained?" How many of us have slowed our vehicle to witness a car accident, or such, I think we are all curious about death and our own mortality. I have to say that I hunt animals (if you are against this bear with me) for food yes but I have to say it is enjoyable. Understand something I only hunt animals that are herd animals and are there for predators, bears, mountain lions , wolves and man are all predators. Its in our nature to kill, ever see chimpanzee societies and how they war against each other its more violent than anything that humans have done to one another. I think that there is a part of the human mind in murderers and serial killers etc. that shuts off the right from wrong aspect and without right and wrong there is no responsibility. Hey guys and girls thanks for the response. Psychology has always been one of my fav. interests into how the human mind works. Wish I would have stayed in school and became a criminal psychologist.
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Old 11-01-2003, 09:24 AM
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Interesting premise and hello. :)

My 2 cents...

Perhaps these violent forms of entertainment act as an outlet for our violent tendencies. We live in a society where we face repercussions for acting upon a violent idea in our heads. Still, is it a sense of morality that has been ingrained in us that stops us acting violently or the fear of facing the results of our actions?

If we pick up a game like GTA and drive around killing prostitutes and police, the idea itself is so over the top, it becomes farcical and a form of entertainment. For anyone to associate their violent actions with such a thing is someone looking for a way out of a bad situation when they are caught. For anyone who has seen an real act of violence or a bad accident, it becomes pretty clear that these films, novels and games do not hold a candle to real-life.

One of the reasons for killing that comes up time and time again is the need to have power or control over others. Many serial killers see themselves as deities or crucial to some grander scheme. They look upon their victims as objects rather than people; sometimes as tools for accomplishing their task. We too tend to disassociate with horror so we can enjoy it. If our actions had real repercussions, we would not do it. As thinking animals, we have that capacity to make that decision. A few of us sometimes lose that hold on reality... It may be interesting to take the motives that drive serial killers and compare them for a moment to things on a grander scale.

I guess there is the potential for anyone to kill given the proper circumstances. Horror movies or any other form of fear medium tickle that part of our minds, providing us a strange fascination of this human taboo of killing and violence. Sometimes society deems it a necessity or changes the set of morale rules to allow of acts of violence. War is still unfortunately one way to justify these actions. Still, people are trained to be able to commit these actions that we would not be able to do otherwise. We are convinced that it is the right thing to do. Not all can do it either. Tales of morality or perhaps adapting to one's circumstances? Either way it is unsettling that we can be trained to forget the identity of an enemy as human beings.

There was mention of what media provoked Nazism. The idea of Hitler's regime and the rise of Nazism seems to be a variety of factors allowing one man to turn them into reasons for war.

If you want to see a good horror film, "Triumph Of The Will" is as scary as they come. You can almost feel the strength of will pervading from the film. Unfortunately, the man with the idea for a 1000-year Reich had other motives. Still, a good example of touching upon that dark side of ourselves. Actually, Stalin scares me more. They are still finding bodies from his selective removal of undesirables.

Any of you read the book The Catcher In The Rye? It has been accused of making people kill, but it is hardly what one would call horrific.

As Meetthecreeper stated, horror provides a convenient way to feed the beast in all of us, so its thirst is slaked. To deny our tendencies for violence is to deny our very nature as humans. To provide harmless outlets for it like games,films and books is what the sensible person does.

To be honest, I find it hard to see hunting animals as a harmless outlet. Since I eat meat though, I can't deny the reasoning behind it since you actually consume your kill. It's not like hunting for food is anything new. ;)

Horror medium provides a scapegoat for people to find reasons for doing the violent things they do. It is easier to place the blame than find the real causes for a person's breakdown on reality. Anything can be the catalyst for that breakdown. Horror films are just a convenient target since they explore this darker psyche of the human mind.

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Old 11-01-2003, 01:25 PM
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i totally agree with everything. i mean, if you're perfectly sane in the first place, no cheesey-horror movie is gonna make you a psycho.

call me old fasioned but i blam the parents! if kid's ARE that senstive to horror, then they shouldn't b watching it.

i'm only 13 and i love horror, but i don't ever have a urge to kill someone!

I agree, the media is worse, because it's real.
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Old 11-02-2003, 06:39 AM
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Dantes,

excellent post very well thought out, thanks for your input.
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