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#1791
12-30-2008, 08:47 AM
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Not to belittle The Joker at all - He's one my absolute favorite comic book villains and he is iconic within the annuls of comic book and comic book adaptation culture. I just think that Ledger's performance gives the Joker character a significant advantage over Erik... So a counter argument had to be made. That or I just like being argumentative. :D |
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12-30-2008, 09:04 AM
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Oooooh, Interesting. While I certainly agree the strength of Ledger's performance may lend him an unfair advantage, and also that I love the phantom very much, I think I have to stress against him above the Joker, certainly in terms of a greater "villian".
Phantom is a wonderful character and carries his tale more or less as both the Hero and Villian, we suffer for him as much as we fear him. Christine's rejection of him is as much understood as resented, that in some ways makes him a stronger character then the Joker but not a stronger villian. The Joker is incomprehensible, it his multiple incarnations such as Ledger's performance and the almost as Iconic Mark Hammil voiced animated Joker. Don't be fooled the Joker in his more modern comic book forms if far more frightening then any of those. They all lend a sort of cuteness to his vicous madness, something that the real Joker would probably find them, and hang them on a noose out the front of their parents house before blowing it up. He is mad, but he is vicous and unpredictable to a fault, people have allied themselves with him knowing full well he was not to be trusted and still walk away horrified at the lengths he'd go for his own sick amusement. The Joker has none of the fluffy charms of his film and animated conterparts, well perhaps a little but they are so far muddle in his extreme sadism and vicousness that you simply can't relate or emphasise with him at all, ever not in your wildest dreams. If you thought you could trust me, in all these years he would have found away to disturb you so much that you wouldn't dare. Of course this is Movie Villians, which means we have Nicholsons Jokes, and Ledger's both wonderful characters vs Claude Raines and Gerard Butler's Phantoms, the latter who is projected much more heriocially. Raines was good, but I don't think either of them much Jack or Heath's Joker. Joker for me. |
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12-30-2008, 09:32 AM
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I'm usually the first Joker detractor (I like the character just fine and love both Jack's and Heath's performances in recent films but I just think he's far from the best villain of all time) but Erik was too sympathetic a figure in my eyes. My vote goes to the laughing man.
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#1794
12-30-2008, 09:48 AM
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The Joker scores a huge and comprehensive 11-3 win over Erik The Phantom to blast his way into the Finals!!
...which comes next...
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#1795
12-30-2008, 10:00 AM
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THE FINAL Coming into the Final by beating...
Ladies and Gentlemen... The first Finalist, THE JOKER (The Dark Knight)  vs. Coming into the Final by beating...
Ladies and Gentlemen... The Second Finalist, ANGEL EYES aka IL CATTIVO (The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly)  The voting begins NOW, and is open for the next 48 Hours. The leader then will be the winner of the tournament and crowned THE GREATEST MOVIE VILLAIN OF ALL TIME!!
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12-30-2008, 10:18 AM
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Irony is a funny thing, to think I expressed the strength of Joker's case given the people he defeated. I'd definetely argue that he didn't deserve to get this far against some of the competition he has foiled... alas... at least I get to vote for the final!
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12-30-2008, 10:23 AM
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Angel Eyes would definitely give the Joker a run for his money... And probably shoot 'em dead.
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