Alcohol V Weed

[Haunted]

Yeah, kids are dying by the bunches here in NC for driving drunk. I, of course, will never say this to my kids, I might just have to be a hypocrite and keep my kiddies off the sauce and weed. I'd actually rather have my kids drive stoned then drunk.

Driving Stoned:

Person stoned: Okay... Oh! A red light! Okay, I have to stop! I'm stopping. Is there anybody coming? No. *taps wheel* Okay, green. I can go. What's the speed limit? 45? Am doing....46!% Shit! Slow down to...43, just to be safe. Okay, stop sign. Coming to a stop. Stopped. Anybody coming? *looks both ways* Anybody coming? *looks both ways* Can I go? *Goes*

Basically, a twenty minute trip home takes nearly forty minutes, because you're driving like you're ninty

[PR3SSUR3]

Personally I find stoned and drunk the worst combination.

Not even to excess - half a joint and a couple of pints warp your senses more significantly than more of one or the other.

[Haunted]

One question. Have you ever actually been stoned? I must have missed whether you've said you have or have not. I'm just curious for my own sake.:)

[PR3SSUR3]

Yes, though I try not to be these days because it gets in the way - in the way of work, of good health and generally getting things done.

Most people assume detractors of dope to be non-smokers, but that is not always the case.

I would prefer to look at it as 'putting the toys away', as moving on from a once fun, but increasingly dangerous and deluded altered state.

[lovecraft]

You could say pot is physically harmless, that is debatable.
But it is harmful in other ways, such as a parent not keeping a job because they refuse a drug test. THis doesn't even have to be a parent. Or how about a child who has parents that are diehard pot heads and they are forced out of the house or shut in their room until all the friends are gone. Sounds harmless but its not. So for some people, it is harmless, for others it not much like eveything in the world. I just want to give another perspective.

[PR3SSUR3]

Smoking causes cancer.

Without tobacco, smoking cannabis is thought to cause cancer.

If not cancer, negative respiratory effects are unchallenged - dope smokers don't cough for no reason.

[cheebacheeba]

I think inhaling ANY substance into your lungs that comes off burning material is a bad idea to start with. I mean sure, I do it here and there, but I'll never debate that the health issues are there. My main issues are based on my personal experiences - how my body has reacted to both these things, and my observation of others also. It DOES seem that alcohol is not only more addictive, but used far more regularly, and in greater quantities than most green smokers...I mean, weed is more expedient and potent in it's effects, I guess that's why.

Again, it's a moderation thing...going into excess with either can hurt you, but I've seen a lot more go down the "occasional alcohol use to complete alcoholism" road than "occasional toke to complete pothead" path. So I gotta remain slightly biased to that extent.
As for mixing tobbacco with it...nah...unless it's a blunt in which I'll use the least chemically altered tobbacco available to me.

Or how about a child who has parents that are diehard pot heads and they are forced out of the house or shut in their room until all the friends are gone.

As I've said, I don't really indulge enough anymore for this to be an issue, but all the same...
I would never smoke weed anyplace around a child. I probably wouldn't get tanked around a kid either. Smoking, definately not...because I'd never do anything that's going to fuck with a childs health in their formative years. They don't have a choice in where they live until theyre 16 (here), I think they should at least have the choice of clean air in their lungs. This wouldn't only be to set an example, but very much moreso to protect the health of the child. I think parents that smoke ANYTHING near/with their children ought to have a little more respect, and understand that responsibility doesn't stop at feeding, clothing, and giving a roof to their child.

[SKOOFx]

Originally posted by PR3SSUR3
Smoking causes cancer.

Without tobacco, smoking cannabis is thought to cause cancer.

If not cancer, negative respiratory effects are unchallenged - dope smokers don't cough for no reason.

Actually, certain chemicals in marijuana actually effect the lungs in POSITIVE ways. They reverse the effects of tobacco smoke, they open up the poars in the lungs. (Thats why if you know anyone who has asthma, they can smoke a J and go about their day, but if they take a puff of a cig, they will literally have an attack. (I will find the supporting documents , i understand that you will probably call a bluff on this one too)

I truly beleive that everyone is free to beleive whatever they want, and i will NEVER force my opinion onto others.

but I definitly beleive that alcoholism and cig addiction is 10x WORSE than pot. Yet because its "legal", its ok for bars to be packed on the weekends with people getting wasted, yet a couple at home smoking a joint = wrong.

You said that you call my bluff on knowing successful wealthy pot smokers. And thats fine, but its actually the truth. I know lawyers, doctors and bussiness men who all love to smoke. My doctor even recomended it for my anxiety attacks. (After i told her I do not want to take the pills she prescribed , which are FAR worse)

ReeferMadness over the past century has distorted the facts about marijuana.

TOBACCO
ALCOHOL,
All our addictive.
EXCEPT weed. (psychologically yes, but if someone cant get their hands on pot after being an avid smoker (daily basis), once a full week passes, they no longer bitch or moan about craving it, and the body only goes through minor withdrawls, like difficulty sleeping, and slight grumpiness.
(UNLIKE BOOZE , CIGS & CERTAIN PHARMACUTICAL DRUGS, WHICH ARE PUSHED HARDER THAN CRACK- ALL IN THE NAME OF MONEY)

Any addiction is bad. I agree, even WEED.

But i hate how, weed smokers = bad

while cig smokers and alcohol users = THE NORM.


EVERYTHING IN MODERATION.
THE WORLD REALLY NEEDS TO DE-BRAINWASH THEMSELVES FROM THE "ABOVE THE INFLUENCE PROPOGANDA".
Its as if NON weed smoker, feel like better people. I know. I was HIGHLY against drugs till the age of 20. I was wrong.

As for medicinal purposes, weed can assist MANY MANY things, but the pharm companies would never allow that to become legit. $ will be lost. And they are in the bussiness of selling chemicals, NOT helping people.
(Not all, but the majority)
Ask anyone who has ever been on an anti depresant, after they come off it, ask them how USED they felt, especially, if they came to beleive that a little weed now and then, could have balanced them out better than PUMPING MAOI and other serotonin level modification drugs into their head.

[Despare]

How does marijuana affect the lungs?
Scientists believe that marijuana can be especially harmful to the lungs because users often inhale the unfiltered smoke deeply and hold it in their lungs as long as possible. Therefore, the smoke is in contact with lung tissues for long periods of time, which irritates the lungs and damages the way they work. Marijuana smoke contains some of the same ingredients in tobacco smoke that can cause emphysema and cancer.

Can marijuana cause cancer?
Marijuana smoke has been found to contain more cancer-causing agents than is found in tobacco smoke. Examination of human lung tissue that had been exposed to marijuana smoke over a long period of time in a laboratory showed cellular changes called metaplasia that are considered precancerous. In laboratory test, the tars from marijuana smoke have produced tumors when applied to animal skin. These studies suggest that it is likely that marijuana may cause cancer if used for a number of years.


I drink, not too often but rather heavily when I do.

[SKOOFx]

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