Alcohol V Weed

[monalisa]

Originally posted by Haunted
We're setting a record here, lala; this is actually twice where we are in agreement. ;)

Marijuana laws in other parts of the world aren't always nearly as strict as those imposed by the ridiculous lawmakers of the US of A. Also, in many places, the police aren't quite as... how should I put it?.... enthusiastic? about catching and detaining their perpetrators.

Many US cops aren't quite so brutal. My brother is pretty cool with normal folks that break the law by smoking pot. He hates taking them to jail. He doesn't believe that mary jane should be illegal, but fact is that in the US it IS illegal. Hopefully that will change at some point.

But yeah, from what I've heard about Australian culture, I don't imagine that lalala's arms are going to be twisted up in weird angles, put into a wrist lock, and shoved into a police car just for enjoying a Sunday blunt or anything elso short of a very violent crime. They have a little more...tact, shall we say.

I'm not coming down on you, Mona, but you just gotta understand that the US doesn't set the bar on how police operate around the world.

Well, thank God (or whoever) for that! I know there's other countries that are more intelligent with how they treat people, and there are actually good cops in the US, unfortunately I think they are the minority. Ever notice how the cop cars no longer have the "To Protect and Serve" logo on them, at least they don't up here any more. OK, I'm done with my little rant, just be careful folks, ya never know who's watching, and no I'm not overly paranoid, I speak the truth, trust me.

[Spallalala]

Originally posted by Haunted
Or kissin' in the ladies' or some fucked up shit like that. 'Course, Cheeba'd probably remove my trachea with a spork.:D

uh...sorry haunted. You just dont do it for me.

How about we go back to smacking each other around.. :)

[PR3SSUR3]

That depends on the mood you're in before you smoke. Sometimes I've introspective enough to enjoy the more positive perks of my personality or to at least have a really good conversation over a good cup of coffee (pot makes me crave coffee).

If I'm smoking refer, and I start feeling sad, I quickly find something to divert my attention. I want to enjoy myself. In fact, I've been a blubbering basket case when I was drunk way more times than I've ever been while high. I mean if I have to watch all the 'toons at illwillpress.com a million times or get up and dance, that's what I'm gonna do.

You can't stick one emotional lable on marijuana because a. it effects everyone differently, b. you have a certain amount of control over how you want your experience to be, and c. if you've never smoked before and just seen people high it doesn't make you any sort of judge as to the effects of marijuana.

They don't know the total effects of THC on the brain, that's why my psychiatrist recommends that people on psychotropic meds don't smoke it. There are millions of studies, billions of theories, and zero conclusions.

I would say you could emotionally label it as much as you can label alcohol with 'aggression' and 'confidence'.

These might not be constant, guaranteed traits of the drugs, but they sure are popular symptoms - which let's face it is what leads us as users and scientists as researchers to draw their conclusions in respect of the effects.

I've seen heavy smokers go down the same mental path - they do an awful lot of planning, moaning and reflection with a distinct delusion of grandeur... maybe the dope gives them insight and good ideas, but carrying them through is another matter.

[Haunted]

Originally posted by Spallalala
uh...sorry haunted. You just dont do it for me.

How about we go back to smacking each other around.. :)

Yeah, that's probably true, but I'm really not up for the smacking around bit anymore. After that last round I said to m'self, "Heather me girl, you're never too old to lighten up."

I mean, I don't know you. I don't know the things that go on in your daily life. I don't know when your feelings are hurt and you're angry. I can't really judge you, you know.

You don't know me. You don't know that I have a disabling dose of bipolar disorder, one of the five mental disorders that is actual a scientifically shown medical/psychiatric problem that can be detected on various and sundry brain scans. So you wouldn't know whether I'm having a manic episode or a depressive episode.

In summary, fighting about shit that in reality doesn't matter a whole hell of a lot is sorta kinda pointless. I can promise you this: I'm not going to start anything. I'm especially not going to make anymore below the belt comments. If there's an intense interesting discussion going on, and we disagree, I'm probably going to agree to disagree so as not to start any kind of bull poop at all.

Am I becoming a passive? Hell no. Passiveness isn't in my vocabulary. However, I'm learning how to pick and choose my battles. I'm only going to fight for something that benefits a greater good, and a "greater good" does not include my ego.

Allow me to quote a short song by Ani Difranco called "Joyful Girl"

i do it for the joy it brings
because i'm a joyful girl
because the world owes me nothing
and we owe each other the world
i do it because it's the least i can do
i do it because i learned it from you
i do it just because i want to
because I want to

everything i do is judged
and they mostly get it wrong
but oh well
'cuz the bathroom mirror has not budged
and the woman who lives there can tell
the truth from the stuff that they say
and she looks me in the eye
and says would you prefer the easy way?
no, well o.k. then
don't cry

and i wonder if everything i do
i do instead
of something i want to do more
the question fills my head
i know that there's no grand plan here
this is just the way it goes
and when everything else seems unclear
i guess at least i know

i do it for the joy it brings...

[wood_elf_pansy]

I would rather smoke a little(or a lot) of weed than drink any alcohol. I mean, to drink is all good and whatnot but, I'd rather not feel like shit afterward.

I haven't smoked weed in at least two months. :( I wanna get high so bad.

Maybe one reason that I don't like to drink other than the not wanting to feel shitty part is that my husband, my father, my grandmother, my brother(sooner or later), and so many more people in my family are alcoholics and it has ruined them in so many ways.

Someone mentioned that people call weed a gateway drug but, in my opinion, alcohol is a gateway drug. My dad is addicted to crack or coke or whatever(I don't know shit about drugs because i'd rather not) and he didn't start until after he got drunk one day with a friend, or so he says.

Well, my opinion has been told...

Bebo the pansy wood elf

[stubbornforgey]

At the end of day..each to his own.
Drugs are everywhere..whether we want to admit or not..all of us divulge every once in a while in the substance..
its in our coffee...its in the perfume we use...its even in our cokes..
why do you think these things are so addictive.?
If ppl choose to smoke it in thier homes or with freinds...who are we to judge..?
If ppl want to sniff it up thier noses..who are we to judge..??
My only concern is how readily available these things are to our children...and easily accesible.
These ppl don't care because it all comes down to the $$s.As long as theres a
buyer...there will always be a seller.
Last year there was a huge march here in NewZealand..protesting against a pathetic issue.ownership of the seabed and foreshore.
Maori tribes and leaders ..united and
1000's upon 1000's took a week long march to parliment in protest.
Last month..a sole grandmother tried to start up a march against the sale of 'p' cos of the damaget it has done to her own children/grandchildren alike...
She called upon the maori to join her as it effects them more deeply than any other race...
a whole 50 ppl turned up...and they marched from one end of the street to the other..then went on home.
As long as they got thier faces in the paper..they were happy.
And only one maori leader turned up.
Was the same as the march against child abuse..but in that case..100 or so
showed up.
The priorities are all fucked up in my opinion.

[Haunted]

You make a lot of good points, Stubborn. I think which is to say that, it's just me, but reality, not even from a metaphysical perspective, is just sorta up to people. This because every method or law just isn't true in every situation. Some things are true 99.9999999% of the time but you still have to allow for that .000000001% may switch everything around and dump everything you've thought on it's head.

Is it all ineffable or do we just see where it goes?

[stubbornforgey]

Ironic as this may sound..
Its like hittng your head on a brick wall.
Everybody who indulges in drugs n alcohol
always have an excuse for their habits..
alike the religion and abortion debate..nothing can be said or done to change ones veiws on the matter.
As i mentioned earlier..it only bothers me where our young ones are concerned.
What gets me is this..most of
these people have children of thier own,
they keep poisons out of thier reaches,
they make sure that sharp objects are locked away from them..they protect their children in any way possible...and yet..
they think nothing of keeping bottles of alcohol in their fridges or cabinets..
some even go as far as driving drunk with their kids in the cars.
Same as weed...some parents think nothing of smoking it in front of thier kids
or leaving it in full veiw..because as they mildly put it ...its their right as adults to do as they please.
Its like how hypocritical we are when we teach our kids about stranger danger..
As adults we know damn well santa does not exist..and yet we allow our babies to sit on an old mans lap who is dressed in a red suit..or chase after
ronald macdonald..some weirdo in a gay costume.
'shakes her head'
oh and by the way..I told my children , when they were old enough to understand about believing in santa.

[Haunted]

Anybody who indulges in anything, be it icecream or caffeine makes excuses for what they do. Jesus christ, food can be an addiction.

I grew up with beer in the fridge. I knew that it was an adult drink and that if I touched it I was in trouble. I'm not a raging alcoholic. As a matter of fact, I don't even like alcohol that much.

I mean, sure, I don't want kids to smoke and drink. Humans don't stop developing until they're at least 18. Those types of behaviors can really fuck up a kid's developement. That's why, in the US, we have laws about when someone can start drinking, and if we were to have laws legalizing marijuana, that limit of 21 would apply also.

Furthermore, you can't judge parenting by your own mold. Some people just don't fit and they're doing fine. This is an extreme example, but it proves my point. One of my best friends is a genius. That's not an exageration, that's not a pet term. It's a fact. He's so fucking brilliant it's not funny. His mom smokes pot, and he smokes pot. Do they fit the mold? No. Smoking a joint to them is what having a glass of wine is to other people.

Not everybody reacts to whatever media source you tune into or whatever your neighbor's kids are doing. However, that's possibly why it's so dangerous, because it's unpredicable.

[stubbornforgey]

Exactly..
they lowered the drinking age here to 18..but younger are being supplied by thier parents.
The whole..'well its ok because..i want my child to be able to be drink in a safe enviroment'..then the same parents allow thier kids to jump behind the wheel n
drive or be a passenger in which a mate of thiers is driving...its ridiculous..
Their have been many road casualties over here concerning young kids from this whole ordeal..
If i could only go back n paste you the amount of news items concerning the deaths...and the pics of the very same parents scratching their heads and asking themselves..'why'
Your lucky to have been disciplined enough sister boo to not touch the liquor in the fridge...in reality now..its not that simple anymore.
Alot has to do with peer pressure etc..
'yawwwwwwwn'..(soz)
have been up for a few hours now..em very sleepy.