what do u think god or satan looks like

[Egekrusher]

Originally posted by Freddy Krueger.
No, no you couldn't. No one could. God IS perfection. God knows everything. From the smallest little secret to the biggest darkest secret. He knows the past, future, and present. Although some may think God made a mistake with the planet or something, it was NOT him. It was Satan. The wicked beast. He got some of the foolish ones and turned them bad. They got overwelmed with greed and selfishness. And God can't just stop it himself, it everything was gave to you you too will become selfish. He does stop it but not by himself. It is his believers that will help stop it. And you may not believe it but God did stop it. You may think that it was only those believers who stopped it but God is the one who got in those believes hearts and mad ethem stop it. But now days greed is overwelming everyone. The Bible even says that one day the world will end. And you shouldn't be scared of death, unless you know that you have commited horrible sins and will be sent to hell. Those who haven't commited sin and have a pure heart will be sent to heaven. They shouldn't dear death. In heaven you are never sad. Always ahppy. Never bored and never feel pain.

If that is the case, why didn't God just get rid of Satan? Why does he let him exist at all, if he is truly good and pure? Why let something exist that you KNOW is going to cause pain and sufferring?

[Vodstok]

Here is my concessionarry "layman's theory". It lets god exist, but allows for fallability. Sorry, Pobody's Nerfect, as the mug says.

Originally posted by Vodstok
I know somebody out there is going to hate me for reviving this, but it is very interesting. And I Still applaud everyone for keeping it civil.

I have a quick question. If we accept that A. God exists and B. People have free will and C. God NEVER makes a mistake (which, personally, I think all of you put way too much pressure on the guy....if he is there.) How do we get Kind god/Wrathful god? If he knows we are going to make mistakes, knows that we will turn into what we have, why did Sodom and Gammora get destroyed?

He seemed awfully pissed off then, but he knew it was coming, he KNEW it wouldnt change. So why the anger? Also, if we accept the great Deluge as fact (i would like to see proof. i have seen evidence in PART of the world (i watch a Lot of Discovery channel), but certainly nothing world wide), why did God kill off all those people? He knew what decisions they would make, and how they would turn out, but was angry with them none the less.


maybe i am jumping to conclusions here, but the only reason i could see for someone getting angry over something like that, would be if they thought the people might change, or behave differently, but they didnt. However, that is naiveté, which is a flaw. Technically. And God is supposedly flawless.

Which brings up another point. Perhaps if there is a god "he" is near-omniscient, and near-omnipotent, but not quite. Maybe religious folks have a complex like a lot of kids do:

Dad is perfect, dad can do no wrong, dad could kill a dragon with a toothpick because he took karate once when he was a kid.

When in Reality, Dad can do a whole shitload of things, but dad isnt 100% infallible. He yelled at mom once, spanked you because you knocked over the paint can, and yelled at the dog for crapping in the yard, but he still loves you, he still works hard for you, and he would still do anything in his power for you.

Just a layman's theory, feel free to disagree, but even though i dont believe in him, that is how i think he would be if he turned out to be.

[Stingy Jack]

I think it's crazy how religious people are like atheists when it comes to science. They are quick to say that scientific explanations are myths ... despite the obvious piles of evidence. Yet, they believe whole-heartedly in something that has no evidence at all. It's like --- Hello? Did you get your definitions for "truth" and "myth" completely mixed up?

[Egekrusher]

I know, I used to be Christian.. for six months. Mainly, I just wanted a chance to figure out what it was really all about. I really respect truly religious people, for they are some of the nicest and most moral people in the world. It's the ones that abuse it that you have to worry about.

[Vodstok]

Logic and proof are faith's enemies, and many (if not most) people with faith will agree with this. Faith erradicates the need for proof, which then becomes a burden that is swept aside.

Ned Flander put it best:
"Science is liek a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you the ending."

And Homer:
"Facts, Schmacts... Facts can be used to prove anything that is even remotely true...."

[Egekrusher]

Here's another theory of mine that I actually kind of stole from Anne Rice's "Memnoch The Devil".

Basically, God is not this all-powerful being that we imagine him to be. He is another life form, beyond what we can perceive because of our physical and mental limitations. He is using the physical Universe (the one we know) as a laboratory experiment. He is trying to figure out how he came to exist. He is watching us evolve and grow, watching for the next evolutionary step that allows us to, for example, use telepathy or telekinesis or things of that nature. He is convinced that, at one point, he was actually a physical being at one point, and that he evolved into what he is today.

Trippy, huh? But it would make a hell of a lot more sense than current religious views.

[Vodstok]

Originally posted by Egekrusher
I know, I used to be Christian.. for six months. Mainly, I just wanted a chance to figure out what it was really all about. I really respect truly religious people, for they are some of the nicest and most moral people in the world. It's the ones that abuse it that you have to worry about.

It's funny, for truly good religious people, I have always felt a little sad that such good people required a crutch.

The funny thing is, they usually feel the same way, sort of. Like I live life with no hope or anything. i have tons of hope, for reachable things, and some for unreachable. I still buy lottery tickets :D

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by Vodstok
It's funny, for truly good religious people, I have always felt a little sad that such good people required a crutch.

The funny thing is, they usually feel the same way, sort of. Like I live life with no hope or anything. i have tons of hope, for reachable things, and some for unreachable. I still buy lottery tickets :D

Yeah, I hate having to explain to people that I am not depressed about my life ending. I like this explanation of life after death given by Socrates: "an eternal sleep, undisturbed even by dreams." Sounds pretty relaxing and comforting if you ask me. I would hate to have to spend eternity praising the Lord in heaven (I couldn't stand an hour of it on Sunday, growing up.) And, well ... Nobody wants to go to hell.

[Vodstok]

I started writing a story when i was 19 (I may finish it someday).

it starts at the beginning of Judgement Month. The time-tables got off a little, and there were too many people on Earth for the old "Doomsday" booking system to work, so it was going to take a month to process everyone.

The main character was Damien Triplesix, who had just recently found out he was the anti-christ.

All the people in the world were spereated int o 3 categories:

Those going to Heavan
Those going to Hell
Those going to Purgatory

Heaven was for good christians. When they ascended, they still got to do "good christian" things, like pray a lot and abstain from sex.
Purgatory was where the bad people went.

Hell, as according to hardcore "good" christians, was for everyone else. As lucifer explained it to Damien:
"Hell isnt a Punishment, it is for everyone who isnt christian. You dont honestly think we would punish Jews, Muslims and Athiests for being good people, but picking the wrong book, do you?"

All people were mmarked for their destinations. Hellbound grew horns, Heavenbound halos, and those going to purgatory turned black and white. There was much fighting caused by people who expected a halo, but got horns or b&w....

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by Vodstok
I started writing a story when i was 19 (I may finish it someday).

it starts at the beginning of Judgement Month. The time-tables got off a little, and there were too many people on Earth for the old "Doomsday" booking system to work, so it was going to take a month to process everyone.

The main character was Damien Triplesix, who had just recently found out he was the anti-christ.

All the people in the world were spereated int o 3 categories:

Those going to Heavan
Those going to Hell
Those going to Purgatory

Heaven was for good christians. When they ascended, they still got to do "good christian" things, like pray a lot and abstain from sex.
Purgatory was where the bad people went.

Hell, as according to hardcore "good" christians, was for everyone else. As lucifer explained it to Damien:
"Hell isnt a Punishment, it is for everyone who isnt christian. You dont honestly think we would punish Jews, Muslims and Athiests for being good people, but picking the wrong book, do you?"

All people were mmarked for their destinations. Hellbound grew horns, Heavenbound halos, and those going to purgatory turned black and white. There was much fighting caused by people who expected a halo, but got horns or b&w....

Sounds interesting. But Purgatory is actually like a temporary hell. Those people will end up going to heaven after they have suffered long enough in Purgatory. Speaking of which ... I need to go to my "Deathwatch" thread and put what I think happened to Y Company in that film.