Who do you think won the Presidential debate?

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by Arioch
"Ya ive been on alot more lately, since the Kpro thing i have felt the need to be more present in not only moderating but the community with you guys"

Hmmm...Something is missing here....Let me think....OH YEAH...You forgot the part about how you can catch up to kPro's post count, now that he's no longer posting...lmao...


You know that I'm kidding ;)







Or am I?:p

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
Stingy,

politics aside, I luv ya man and I really do hope that you do well for yourself and your family.

Even though you probably think I am a ruthless cold hearted conservative rich guy.:p

No, I don't think that about you at all. Although, you and your wife make a little more than double what my wife and I make. And I did have to pay taxes last season, although I'll grant it wasn't much (a little over a hundred dollars.)

But as far as the democratic party keeping the minorities down so they can stay in power .... that's nothing short of silly. Affirmative action is a democratic idea (one that I disagree with, by the way), and so is welfare (another one that I don't necessarily disagree with, but I think needs a massive overhaul). But, you say that if the minorities were no longer strapped for cash, they would not need to vote democrat? Am I following you? The democrats are keeping the minorities down? Come on! If the republicans had their way every time throughout history, blacks and women would still be dreaming of the opportunity to go to the voting booths!

P.S.: I wouldn't say I that I love you back. I sort of keep you on the backburner when all my other dates have fizzled out. :p

[bloodrayne]

I interrupt this thread to inject it with a bit of humor...If you think that the political debating gets hot HERE...You should read THIS...

The Silliness...

[Arioch]

If the republicans had their way every time throughout history, blacks and women would still be dreaming of the opportunity to go to the voting booths!

Agreed.....You say conservative...i say intolerant.....gay marriage is the new discrimination.....

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by Arioch
Agreed.....You say conservative...i say intolerant.....gay marriage is the new discrimination.....

funny I am conservative, I also am a practicing witch for nearly 20 years (ssshhhh dont tell anyone otherwise they will come tear up my GOP membership card:rolleyes: ) not exactly mainstream neo-christian is it.

I dont have a problem with gay marriage, as a matter of fact I dont even understand why it is an issue. Dont confuse conservative with Republican there is a difference.

By the way good one Bloodrayne it seems that even the teachings of Christ cant bring people together.

[meetthecreeper]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
No, I don't think that about you at all. Although, you and your wife make a little more than double what my wife and I make. And I did have to pay taxes last season, although I'll grant it wasn't much (a little over a hundred dollars.)

But as far as the democratic party keeping the minorities down so they can stay in power .... that's nothing short of silly. Affirmative action is a democratic idea (one that I disagree with, by the way), and so is welfare (another one that I don't necessarily disagree with, but I think needs a massive overhaul). But, you say that if the minorities were no longer strapped for cash, they would not need to vote democrat? Am I following you? The democrats are keeping the minorities down? Come on! If the republicans had their way every time throughout history, blacks and women would still be dreaming of the opportunity to go to the voting booths!

P.S.: I wouldn't say I that I love you back. I sort of keep you on the backburner when all my other dates have fizzled out. :p

Stingy, like I said I think that teachers should be paid a hell of a lot more than they are, it is one of those things that drives me crazy. Football, basketball, etc stars, movie stars etc get paid millions of dollars for playing games and for so-called acting while people that deal with the nations children,such as yourself, get paid, well lets just say not so well. Me thinks that is one of the biggest problems in society today is too much emphasis on things that are not important. You must be really dedicated to those kids to do what you do and I commend you for that.

This is what I am saying, I listen to a gentleman on the radio, his name is Tony Brown, on WLS out of Chicago, I believe you can listen on the web, he had made the remark that for too long the democratic party has taken the minority vote for granted, that no matter what they are going to vote that way and meanwhile what do the politcians do? Give them lip service and no substance. I am not saying that if minorities werent strapped for cash they wouldnt vote democratic, what I am saying is that they dont get diddly for their vote. Honestly I dont really care for what either party has done for this country, in a way I dont see much difference between the 2 and I think that it is time for some fresh blood and new ideas, AKA Libertarian party, populist, constitutionalist, whatever. I also dont buy the arguement that republicans would try to keep minorities and women away from the polls, after all the South was and I believe still is predominantly Democrat.

Affirmative action was a good idea at one time, but I think it has gotten abused and misused, much like the welfare system which was also a good idea at one time. I just think that giving people a hand out isnt going to help them. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.

By the way I am a sure thing and a cheap date LOL:p

[Tubalcain]

give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime. now, if you send the river across the ocean, where the water is cheaper, you end up with a man standing around with a fishing pole, starving his ass off. i agree that the welfare system is messed up, and there should be some major housecleaning done. but not done away with.because if there is even one person recieving it that really needs it, then its worth it. if we take these welfare mothers and give them jobs, they still wouldn't be able to work without daycare. and unless you create jobs that pay decent wages, or establish workplace childcare, they still wont be able to afford to work. what i dont understand is why the gov. doesnt go back to the old ccc days of the thirties. after high school, allow the people who cant afford college, and dont want to be crippled by student loans(another issue entirely),and dont want to join the army, to go to work for the gov. working on roads, in the forrests, cleaning up this place, while at the same time offer them technical training so that they can be competetive in the job market. make them sign a contract, and hold them to it. or after working for a number of years, pay for college like the military. i think it would eliminate the problem of illegal imigration (or at least make it a little better). oh well, i guess it goes back to the old saying, do onto others as you would have them do onto you, at least in some since.

[Fluff the Ho]

good one. as in, just cuz theres a couple of shitheads in there doesnt mean the whole bunch should be made to suffer.

GDIS

[Stingy Jack]

Originally posted by meetthecreeper
Stingy, like I said I think that teachers should be paid a hell of a lot more than they are, it is one of those things that drives me crazy. Football, basketball, etc stars, movie stars etc get paid millions of dollars for playing games and for so-called acting while people that deal with the nations children,such as yourself, get paid, well lets just say not so well. Me thinks that is one of the biggest problems in society today is too much emphasis on things that are not important. You must be really dedicated to those kids to do what you do and I commend you for that.

This is what I am saying, I listen to a gentleman on the radio, his name is Tony Brown, on WLS out of Chicago, I believe you can listen on the web, he had made the remark that for too long the democratic party has taken the minority vote for granted, that no matter what they are going to vote that way and meanwhile what do the politcians do? Give them lip service and no substance. I am not saying that if minorities werent strapped for cash they wouldnt vote democratic, what I am saying is that they dont get diddly for their vote. Honestly I dont really care for what either party has done for this country, in a way I dont see much difference between the 2 and I think that it is time for some fresh blood and new ideas, AKA Libertarian party, populist, constitutionalist, whatever. I also dont buy the arguement that republicans would try to keep minorities and women away from the polls, after all the South was and I believe still is predominantly Democrat.

Affirmative action was a good idea at one time, but I think it has gotten abused and misused, much like the welfare system which was also a good idea at one time. I just think that giving people a hand out isnt going to help them. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime.

By the way I am a sure thing and a cheap date LOL:p

Hey, I appreciate the support you have for us who go into the trenches everyday here at home. I had a conversation once with a man who kept trying to talk to me about football. I hate football, always have, and I finally told him so. When he asked for an explanation, I basically told him what you said here in your post. That America has its priorities all out of whack. The entertainers get paid millions, whereas teachers and police officers are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to professional pay. He just blinked and looked at me and said: "That's because nobody wants to pay to listen to a teacher teach." Yeah, I know, guy! That's my point! People would shell out 60-70 dollars for decent football game tickets with no problem, but would probably not even show up to enlighten their minds to a free lecture/seminar! But, what can you do?

And The South is predominantly republican. You can check that on any political map on the web. I live in Mississippi, and am well aware that I am surrounded by republicans on a daily basis.

But, you say you are a practicing witch for 20 years. I find this very interesting. I know you are not republican, but I would also like to point out that the republican party (if they had their way) would saturate this nation with Christianity. If you have children, you would realize how frightening this idea is. I'm an atheist, and have to send my daughter to a public school. And even though the law doesn't allow it, the teachers (at least in this area) take it upon themselves with every opportunity to bring god into the classroom. This is my MAIN problem with the republican party. It all boils down to separation of church and state. I'm tired of the decisions a president makes having a basis in his faith. Stem-cell research, for example. Logically, it is a necessity. Many Americans could benefit greatly from the results of this research, and to ban the practice of stem-cell research is simply immoral -- unless you fall back on religion to support your decision against it. It blows my mind.

[jay o2 waster]

kerry won