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08-02-2007, 08:18 AM
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I have thought that the people that made Saw thought they were making a smarter movie than they actually were. Some great death scenes. But the acting was just awful. Elwes, who I actually usually like, was almost painful to watch. I wanted to throw something at my television, and I love my television. He killed the experience for me. Because yes, there was a lot I liked about it. I like the basic idea, and the claustrophobic feel of the film. But some of it was just boring, and some of it was just ridiculous. The end took me by surprise.....but I laughed....I LAUGHED man.....:p I don't think I was supposed to be laughing. I think I was supposed to actually take that seriously. The filmmakers seemed like they were trying so hard to shock, they just forgot to tell a good story. It just didn't work for me. 
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08-02-2007, 05:23 PM
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Saw made me laugh too. I think what's worse then the fact that it was laughable was the fact that everyone made me feel like such a horrible person for laughing.
The gore was, however, fairly good.
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the acting was bed, the camera was stilted...but the you knew someone was going to saw a leg off...and you spent 90 mins. building toward it. I thought it was a breath of fresh air in the genre.
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I think it would have been better as a half hour short. It didn't feel like the premise had enough legs for a movie, or a franchise. But, it was pretty distinctive and was one of the better Theater of Cruelty films out there.
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08-03-2007, 12:17 PM
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1 The Grudge 2 AVP: Alien Vs. Predator 3 Dawn of the Dead 4 Saw Horror 5 Resident Evil: 6 Exorcist: The Beginning 7 Anacondas: The Hunt for the Blood Orchid 8 Seed of Chucky 9 Darkness 10 Gothika 11 Godzilla: The Original Japanese Version 12 Ju-On: The Grudge 13 The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 14 Riding the Bullet 15 Malevolence 16 A Tale of Two Sisters 17 Fabled 18 The Manson Family 19 Evil Remains 20 The Hillside Strangler Personally Saw is one my my favorite post 2000 horror films and a very consistent franchise... so far.
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08-03-2007, 03:22 PM
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With those stats in front of my face, Saw looks good.
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08-03-2007, 07:59 PM
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Must admit all those other movies make Saw look like a bulldozer. Although the movie had its shortcomings (like Scream did), what won the audiences over was its fresh approach (again!) to the waning genre. Audiences are willing to look over weaker aspects of the movie (ala High Tension) if the overall movie has a fresh and unique appeal to it.
This is good. Excellent bashings, folks! Keep em coming... Over the years, we have seen a movie being mentioned so many times...quite fondly by some, but uncared by others...but what did the haters not like in Tenebre? Was it the bad dubbing/acting or the effects? Bring on the bashing!!
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08-03-2007, 10:39 PM
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although i am a huge fan of argento this is the one movie of his who's popularity baffles me. people rate it comparably to suspiria but for me it was just a slightly poorly constructed slasher. the plot was too sketchy and the storyline very loosely woven together to the extent where it seemed like a series of set pieces. i remember reading a critique of argento's movies that delved into how some of his characters seem to act without motive or explanation and this appears most evident in tenebre. i'm not saying i need my hand held all the way but i did become distracted during this movie. finally, the bad dubbing is at it's worst in this one but as almost all his best work has bad dubbing it's probably irrelevant here. almost forgot, his movies are always visually beautiful but this is the rosie o'donnell of argentos
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08-04-2007, 07:50 AM
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Tenebre is one of those situations in which Argento characters definitely act inhuman. I think it's because Argento is a visual guy who works with symbols and gestures more than anything, therefore the characters work within the symbolic logic instead of any psychological logic. Tenebre doesn't have enough grounding in reality to make its dreamlike characters and action seem perversely real as they do in other Argento films. It's still an interesting early stab at the points he makes about art and violence in Opera. There's just too much Fellini and not enough Bava in it.
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08-04-2007, 09:23 AM
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I can't bash this one, since it happens to be my favorite film from one of my favorite directors.
But, despite that, I can understand why others might not like it. Argento isn't for everyone anyway, and Tenebre is not an easy movie, because of character and motivations (which has already been mentioned). But the camera work in this one has always stood out to me, the death scenes are very well done, and there are a few really creepy moments. Logic problems aside (which always plague Argento's films), I still think this is one of the most intriguing films I have ever seen. And after several viewings, it hasn't ever lost its appeal for me.
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