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[damien]

ok ok nirvana i completly understand what you are trying to say. you obviously know what you are talking about. i will admit i enjoy watching the high flyers and high risk wrestlers more than anything. maybe that is why i don't really care for austin. while i do respect him he is good at what he does but when ever i watch him wrestle all i see him do is punch, kick, a occasional clothesline. the gorrila press what ever the hell you call it when he jumps on the guy and start's punching . im not saying he has to do a high flying move but he realy doesn't perform any outstanding(wrestling moves)

[FreddyFan]

damien does have a point there. IMO I think Austin should try to some high flying moves. now that would be cool.

[damien]

well i don't think he can do any high flying stuff he is falling apart. too many injuries.

[FreddyFan]

i know that damien but if he could do some high flying moves wouldn't that be cool?

[AUSTIN316426808]

Originally posted by damien
no aj styles, rey mysterio junior, jerry lynn, rob van damn, ricky steamboat. that my friend is wrestling. if you consider austin to be the best you are what i call the occasional wrestling fan who appreciates the entertainment part of it. because that is what steve austin is if you are telling me that yo like him because of his "wrestling" ability i really don't know what to tell you? because he is not by any mean's a great wrestler. he got over because of his acting because he is good at the entertainment part of it. that's all.

WHO THE HELL CARES ABOUT WHAT HE WAS GOOD AT WRESTLING IS NOT REAL IT DOES'NT MATTER IF HE CAN DO A PERFECT DROP KICK OR IF HE CAN'T EVEN DO A HEADLOCK PROPERLY HE HAS BEEN IN SOME OF THE TOP MATCHES IN WWE HISTORY AND YOU'RE RIGHT MAYBE HE CAN'T DO WHAT RIC FLAIR OR ROB VAN DAM CAN DO BUT HE STILL PUTS ON A GREAT MATCH WITH THE SKILLS HE HAS JUST LIKE THE UNDERTAKER HE CAN'T WRESTLE HE JUST GOES OUT TO THE RING AND STARTS SWINGING HIS FIST BUT HIS MATCHES ARE GREAT LIKE THE RIVALRY HE HAD WITH MANKIND THAT'S ONE PERSON WHO DOES'NT HAVE A OUNCE OF ATHLETIC ABILITY BUT HIS MATCHES ARE GOOD AS WELL CAUSE THEY KNOW HOW TO PUT ON A SHOW AND THAT'S ALL IT IS IS A SHOW SO WHO CARES WHO HAS THE BEST ARSENAL OF MOVES OR WHO CAN DO THE BEST DROP KICK OR SUPLEX IT'S ENTERTAINMENT AND STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN IS ENTERTAINING BOTH ON THE MICROPHONE AND IN THE RING WHICH IS WHY HE IS A SEVEN TIME WWE CHAMPION AND THE MOST POPULAR WRESTLER EVER BESIDES PROBABLY HULK HOGAN WHY DO YOU THINK BILLY GUNN HAS BEEN IN THE WWE FOR TEN YEARS AND HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING MORE THAN BE A TAG TEAM COMPETITER HE'S GOT A IC REIGN AND A KING OF THE RING WIN UNDER HIS BELT BUT THAT'S NOT MUCH FOR TEN YEARS. RIC FLAIR SIXTEEN TIME WORLD CHAMPION WHY CAUSE HE'S A FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND TECHNICAL WRESTLER NO CAUSE HE'S ENTERTAINING HOW MANY TITLE REIGNS YOU HAVE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR WRESTLING ABILITY IT'S WEATHER YOU CAN ENTERTAIN OR NOT SERIOUSLY CAN YOU PICTURE MARK HENRY OR STEVEN RICHARDS WITH THE TITLE CAUSE I SURE CAN'T (NOT EXAMPLES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOUR POINT ABOUT GOOD WRESTLERS) THAT WOULD BE BORING AS HELL THAT'S EXACTLY THE REASON WHY AUSTIN,TAKER,HOGAN ECT. ECT. ARE ALWAYS IN THE TITLE PICTURE CAUSE THEY ARE THE MOST ENTERTAINING.


NOW AFTER ALL OF THAT I GUESS THE POINT IS WHO CARES ABOUT GOOD WRESTLING I WANT A SHOW.

[FreddyFan]

damn austin! u proved a damn good point. hell u still have me in shock. I never thought of it that way. good speech.

[NirvanaNole]

damien,

That's fine if you prefer high flying wrestlers, but I think you should be able to admit other styles of wrestling. There are many different areas a wrestler can be skilled at and be a good performer in the ring. Would you consider Flair, HBK, Hart, etc., good wrestlers? None of them are high flyers, but all of them know how to work a match. Same with Foley. He may be none for doing insane things, but he also knew how to work a match with the best of them.

But you're right, Austin's physical abilities aren't that great anymore. He was never a high flyer, but he used to be able to do any ground oriented move in wrestling when he was younger. Him and Pillman were amazing as a team. Unfortunately both had serious injuries and had to change their style. I think that forced both of them to develop their mic skills and ring psychology. They, and HBK/Flair, are probably my four favorite wrestlers of all time.

For the record, I do like Van Damn, Rey, etc., but none of them can work the emotional side of a match like Austin. I enjoy their matches for what they are, incredible physical acts that few men can do.

Also, I've hated Hogan with a passion since I was a little kid. We can agree on that point. Oddly, I used to love the Ultimate Warrior and he was only a tad better than Hogan in the ring lol.

[damien]

austin316............... my point exactly you want a show i want wrestling. and you obviously don't know what you are talking about because there is nothin fake about wrestling. by you saying what you said in your last post just proves my original point you don't know what wrestling . that is why you favor guy's like austin he's a entertainer that's it!!!!!!!!! he was in his early day's very good but not anymore.

[damien]

Originally posted by NirvanaNole
damien,

That's fine if you prefer high flying wrestlers, but I think you should be able to admit other styles of wrestling. There are many different areas a wrestler can be skilled at and be a good performer in the ring. Would you consider Flair, HBK, Hart, etc., good wrestlers? None of them are high flyers, but all of them know how to work a match. Same with Foley. He may be none for doing insane things, but he also knew how to work a match with the best of them.

But you're right, Austin's physical abilities aren't that great anymore. He was never a high flyer, but he used to be able to do any ground oriented move in wrestling when he was younger. Him and Pillman were amazing as a team. Unfortunately both had serious injuries and had to change their style. I think that forced both of them to develop their mic skills and ring psychology. They, and HBK/Flair, are probably my four favorite wrestlers of all time.

For the record, I do like Van Damn, Rey, etc., but none of them can work the emotional side of a match like Austin. I enjoy their matches for what they are, incredible physical acts that few men can do.

Also, I've hated Hogan with a passion since I was a little kid. We can agree on that point. Oddly, I used to love the Ultimate Warrior and he was only a tad better than Hogan in the ring lol.

yeah that's what i was trying to say in the first place austin is very limited to what he can do, he get's over because of his character. it is so obvious why can't you guy' understnd this? and yes i d appreciate guy's like flair and hbk and hart. but austin on the other hand ......... drink's his beer's uses the middle finger does his punches his kicks and hten finally the stuner thats all he does.

[NirvanaNole]

Originally posted by damien
yeah that's what i was trying to say in the first place austin is very limited to what he can do, he get's over because of his character. it is so obvious why can't you guy' understnd this? and yes i d appreciate guy's like flair and hbk and hart. but austin on the other hand ......... drink's his beer's uses the middle finger does his punches his kicks and hten finally the stuner thats all he does.

You're commenting on his interviews and not his actual matches. How many PPV matches have you seen of Austin over the years? If you think his matches are purely what you described, then you're letting your personal feelings on him cloud your judgment. The man sells moves better than anyone you listed (even including Steamboat in his prime).

Seriously, go rent the Wrestlemania he lost to Bret Hart when he passed out. If you can watch that match and still think all he does is what you just mentioned, you're nuts, Damien. ;)

You have to remember Austin needs to have a decent opponent to have a chance at a great match. He hasn't exactly been able to wrestle a good wrestler recently.


On another note, what do you think of Chris Benoit? He can't do many high risk moves, so I'm curious to see your opinion on him. Is he a better wrestler than RVD?