Pity...

[fuglystick]

Originally Posted by Elvis_Christ

I do actually.

Huh. Even when I pointed out four in this thread alone. I guess we'll find out when you try to rally the troll troops then, won't we.

[Elvis_Christ]

(I was joking... LOL)

But I don't believe I was mentioned specifically.

Rally the troll troops? What the fuck are you on about?

[Elvis_Christ]

Missed cheeba's post... quoted because it's right on.

Originally Posted by cheebacheeba

I'll weigh in...

Personally on the whole "new members" thing, I'd rather one GOOD new member (as I've seen a fair few of since joining) that gets into posting, and doesn't get all crybaby about it when they get told "DUH" when they say something stupid, that 10 new members that will.
Why?
All the threads, eating up space, and making shit worse by kind of reinforcing/adding to what may have been a small amount of negativity by taking it to the level of "I'm going to make a thread to say FUCK YOU".

I don't know how I'm really perceived around here...I don't consider myself part of any group as such, probably because I've been here longer than anyone you're talking about...I've seen people call stupid STUPID, and I HAVE seen hazing of newbies, but the thing is, if you think MD and Elvis etc are any kind of issue, you haven't seen the worst by far.
Perhaps I'm wrong, I seldom even go into the new members part of the forum.
In fact the worst I've seen, is the newbies who get around 50+ posts and think they own the place, and they usually start out by (guess what) attacking existing members, making a big public "stand", and then they themselves end up giving the worst amount of shit to newcomers. I'm not saying that's the case here, but I've seen it before - Like Wu said, people getting literally told to fuck off and leave without provocation.
Thankfully, this doesn't really happen anymore.
I'd say this is in no small part due to the ongoing efforts of mods who have been here for long enough to know where to draw a line between hazing and idiotic maliciousness - I've seen things get bad here, really bad, and how things are now...are just not that.
Not all moves by moderation are publicly announced, of this I'm certain...though I KNOW they HAVE been involved in keeping some real idiotic cretins away from the place. The racists, the board flooders, the member imitators.
I don't give new people a hard time, and I never have...I sometimes tell them that they're probably going the wrong way reacting to things that would have ended then and there had they not, and if they get up in my face yeah I'll tell 'em to eat a dick...everyone's got the right to defend themselves sure, but sometimes they just don't need to.
I've had problems with MD in the past, and Elvis too...now we're all good as far as I can tell...in hindsight, part of these problems were due to them, part of them me, and yknow what dragged it out? Them getting a rise out of me. Was it intentional? Probably. Did I feel cruelly and maliciously targeted? Nope. In fact, even then at least part of me took it for just what it was, though that said her, myself and Elvis were a fair bit younger when we had issues. We've grown, and we've grown with this place.
Sometimes the funniest thing can be seeing how a person reacts...but also sometimes it's a good personality and maturity gauging tool, more often than not you DO see in a persons reaction and indication of the type of personality they have, and what lengths/depths they'll go to - but really you can't say they don't contribute here.
Fuglystick as far as I know you and I have never had any problems between us...so, I'm hoping you're not just going to pull the whole "you're sticking up for them" but, because I'm not. We're not best friends. We're not part of the same "group", they're here like anyone else and I don't count seniority as a free pass, I don't give a shit how long anyone's been here (If I did, I'd pretty much think that I rule the place)...I just don't see it like you do...evidently the mods don't either, it's no reason to insult them. I mean they did point out that by your own rules you'd have been reprimanded too, which illustrates that maybe that you're letting your pre-existing views on someone colour your thoughts on "how bad" the things they say to other people are, without realising that it's pretty easy to do yourself without any harm intended.
It seems like maybe MD got on your bad side a while ago...probably due to what you've considered to be malicious treatment of either yourself or others as new folk, but I will step in and say on numerous occasions I've seen you reciprocate in ways that'll only perpetuate the cycle. Why should YOU end it? Why should SHE?
Nobody's been seriously insulted or attacked, nobody's been character assassinated...
I think you're a good member here, but you're just taking this thing in circles.
Also - please watch what you say about "groups" you've linked. As well as MD and Elvis you're talking about pinkfloyd who's probably...never attacked anyone in her life, and Disease, one of our better and longest standing here - also a person who's seldom had any trouble with anyone.
If people arrive and can't cope with essentially the same reality that they would have to deal with in real life anywhere, well, really that's on them...I've seen legitimate issues acted upon.
My suggestion would be if you can't get along, ignore.
Making ongoing argument threads and mod insults etc, it's only going to get you banned, and it's not like you'll be seen as some martyr for the cause...it'll just be you not letting go...you haven't been seriously insulted, and you've given as much as you've got, so, isn't it time to just drop it before it goes in yet another circle?

[fuglystick]

Originally Posted by cheebacheeba

lots of words

I appreciate that cheeba.

That fact that it's better than it was in the past doesn't change a thing. Membership, and content, is suffering. Yes, there WILL be some noob who will sign up and immediately start a "who's better, Freddy or Jason" thread. There will be people who want to gush over Twilight, and people who'll want to argue that the Saw franchise is the greatest horror franchise of all time. And we'll all roll our eyes. That's natural when you've seen the same bull over and over again from people who have no idea what they're talking about.

That doesn't mean they CAN'T become a good poster. It means they rushed in without bothering to get a feel for the board, and made an ass of themselves. Instead of our self-appointed bouncers deciding who gets past the velvet rope and who doesn't, we should at least let new members get their feet wet, and see if they can float.

I'm sorry, I'm never going to see some sort of benefit to letting assholes act like assholes. This isn't a matter of a slip up; this is flat out flaming anyone that doesn't toe their line. "All good fun" "don't be a crybaby" "grow a spine" etc. etc. all boil down to one thing--"we're just a bunch of cunts." I know that's a badge of honor for some on this board, but it's also a forum killer, and leads to the stagnant swamp that these boards are.

As far as the moderators, they've had it in their power to assuage the trolling behavior all along, but did nothing about it. The sorry condition for these boards rests with them. I'm sure they are nice people, and they do keep the boards free of racists and spammers, but they haven't been moderating.

And this isn't a vendetta. There's the support in this thread for an end of the cuntery; I've had PMs as well. People are tired of trying to post in an acrimonious environment. For every one who speaks up, I'm sure there are three or four more who just don't want to get involved. That doesn't include the people who were run off before they even had a chance to contribute.

"Business as usual" is not good enough. The domain for this site is "horror.com"; there should be 500 people posting here every day. Instead, there's twenty or thirty who will venture here to post, because a handful of assholes want to retain the status quo.

I'm sure I didn't address all your points, cheeba, but I appreciate the time it took you to make your well thought out response.

[fuglystick]

Originally Posted by Elvis_Christ

(I was joking... LOL)

But I don't believe I was mentioned specifically.

Rally the troll troops? What the fuck are you on about?

You, like MD, do not have the luxury of a "joking" relationship with me. I know you would prefer to "joke" your way out of being a dick, and sweep it under the rug, but I don't think so.

[fuglystick]

Oh, almost forgot--

The individual members of MD's vanity experiment doesn't really mean all that much; it does speak volumes about how she sees her role on this board though, doesn't it?

[Elvis_Christ]

A few months back the "evil trolls" MD & Posher weren't even regularly posting on the board & it didn't change the amount of new members so your point is void. There's not a big influx of new members because message boards just aren't that popular in general these days... banning me or those guys isn't going to change anything.

"Vanity Experiment" and "how she sees herself on this board"? You're totally deluded I feel sorry for you and everyone who buys into this shit you're spewing.

[fuglystick]

Originally Posted by Elvis_Christ

A few months back the "evil trolls" MD & Posher weren't even regularly posting on the board & it didn't change the amount of new members so your point is void. There's not a big influx of new members because message boards just aren't that popular in general these days... banning me or those guys isn't going to change anything.

"Vanity Experiment" and "how she sees herself on this board"? You're totally deluded I feel sorry for you and everyone who buys into this shit you're spewing.

I think it's fair to say that MD has a very high opinion of herself. I also think it's safe to say that she enjoys forcing that opinion on everyone.

And if there's no "big influx" of people trying to join the board, isn't that even more reason to be civil to those that do?

[fuglystick]

In the end, we just have a handful of clowns on this board trying to justify being douchebags.

[Elvis_Christ]

Show me a board where noobs posting shit like pretending to be Hannibal Lector isn't paid out.

Originally Posted by fuglystick

I think it's fair to say that MD has a very high opinion of herself. I also think it's safe to say that she enjoys forcing that opinion on everyone.

You're obsessed :rolleyes:

I think you've got some deep seeded issues (like misogyny) that are coming to the surface in scapegoating her.

Originally Posted by fuglystick

In the end, we just have a handful of clowns on this board trying to justify being douchebags.

...and one overly dramatic fuckwit trying to be hero of the day.