HDC Presents: 100 Years of Horror

[Giganticface]

Originally Posted by _____V_____

2 members who already backed Little Shop of Horrors have chosen it from the SIX,

2 members who already backed Invasion of the Triffids have chosen that from the SIX (one is for Honorable Mentions),

...yes, it is a tie between them, but in terms of overall votes/backings, Little Shop is ahead (6 against 4).

And even with only 1 vote (by hammerfan), Brides of Dracula is ahead at 8 supporters.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthre...057#post954057

But, in the interest of fairness, and to get more clarification from Giganticface regarding his vote, I am keeping this open for 12 more hours. That will be the final stretch, and if the tie gets broken by then, well and good.

If not, we will seal Brides of Dracula as our 22nd film and move to the Honorable Mentions.

I'm cool with that decision, V. Brides of Dracula got four original votes and four backings, which is a pretty strong showing. If it makes any difference I'm willing to blind back that movie.

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As we transition to the Honorable Mentions, I'd like to share my thoughts about the top 22. Undeniably, it's a great list. I haven't seen about a third of them, and I know I should, but it's clearly a quality list. However, I like to think of this project as a reflection of the history of horror, and not just the "best" movies of the decade, so here are my observations, which hopefully might be reflected in the Honorable Mentions.

1. We have 5 (or is it 6?) films starring Vincent Price. I know he's a master of his craft, and a true horror icon, but some variety would be nice. We almost had another make the list (The Raven), which I haven't seen, and I'm sure it's great, but how about spreading the wealth a bit?

2. The Sixties was the decade that pop culture and entertainment turned on its head. Mid-decade marked a change in the tide, where it became okay for a hero to be flawed, even an anti-hero, and pop culture in general became much more jaded. I'm glad our list doesn't go overboard representing this, but personally I think it's a little thin. Spider Baby, Witchfinder General, and (I haven't seen, but assume) The Cremator and Repulsion are good examples, and also the well-documented example, NotLD. You could make a case for Rosemary's Baby, however, besides those, I think we're over-representing the early Sixties and a classic style that was getting phased out. We should take the opportunity to reflect this important transition in history.

3. Italian horror and giallo was a hugely influential movement that left us with some of our all-time favorite horror films, and it started here. Mario Bava provided the template of what would evolve over the next 20 years. Personally, I would choose Black Sabbath as a foreshadowing of the upcoming style, but if you don't think an anthology should be on the list then perhaps Kill Baby Kill. If you guys think Black Sunday (which I haven't seen), or a different film is a better choice, I'm totally on board. Unless I'm overlooking something, I'm actually flabbergasted that not a single Bava film got a vote.

4. For all practical purposes, splatter was born in the Sixties. I don't care if it's Blood Feast or Two Thousand Maniacs! but we should give Herschell Gordon Lewis his due. I forget if Gore Gore Girls or Bloodsucking Freaks made the 70s list, but I'd be surprised, and they probably shouldn't. I'd vote for Blood Feast because it's the first.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. I didn't submit a list for the 60s the first time around because I didn't think I was was well-enough versed, and overall for the decade I still feel that way. But I do think we could round out our list a bit with the Honorable Mentions.

[neverending]

So if you initially back a film, you can back it again, effectively backing it twice? Or three times, depending on how many times we take a vote?

[Giganticface]

Well, Brides of Dracula got four original votes, then four backings during the debate (which could be the same four that originally voted for it).

The Brides of Dracula (1960) - 4 (backed by The Villain, seconded by realdealblues, Sculpt, hammerfan)

[neverending]

Yes, I can read the list fine.


This is why I don't think people should be able to back more than two films when we were trying to fill two spots.

[_____V_____]

Originally Posted by neverending

So if you initially back a film, you can back it again, effectively backing it twice? Or three times, depending on how many times we take a vote?

No, you can't. We are taking only the votes + backings into contention here.

The original 4 votes for Brides of Dracula came from Sculpt, metternich1815, fortunato & hammerfan.

The votes this time around by members who have already backed their films won't count, hence my first two lines in my earlier post.

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Giganticface's backing of Brides of Dracula takes it's number of supporters to 9. Unless there's a turnaround in the next 5 hours, it looks like it will seal the 22nd place.

[neverending]

Forgive me for nitpicking this point, but I can't find these 5 extra votes for Brides of Dracula, and I've gone all the way back to the posting of the 60s in the cut post.

V, you say:

The original 4 votes for Brides of Dracula came from Sculpt, metternich1815, fortunato & hammerfan.

Since then, the only votes for Brides of Dracula that I see are hammerfan (post 851 and again at post 858) - but you say you can't count that since she was one of the original backers.

Then there was sculpt - but again, he was one of the original backers, so can't be counted.

So, the only additional votes I see for this title are by realdealblues and giganticface.

That would leave Brides of Dracula with 6, not 9 votes.

I beg your indulgence V, for my attempt at counting on my own. I clearly am not very good at it.

[_____V_____]

When we originally started on the 60s for the very first time (all the way some 3-4 months back), people were asked to send their 20 choices for the 60s from the films listed in the main Master List of all films released between 1960 and 1969.

I received 10 lists for the 60s, each with 20 choices, from members - The Villain, fortunato, Sculpt, neverending, metternich1815, Straker, roshiq, Kandarian Demon, realdealblues & hammerfan.

Out of those, 4 members listed The Brides of Dracula in their top 20 choices - Sculpt, metternich1815, fortunato & hammerfan. Hence, The Brides of Dracula received 4 votes.

Subsequently, in our two rounds of debating for the final choices for the 60s - first round for 20 films, second round now for 2 more films & 6 Honorable Mentions - we have had members supporting the film, and accordingly listed as backings/second backings.

Those were from The Villain, realdealblues, Sculpt and hammerfan again.

Originally Posted by The Villain

I'll say the movies that got 4 votes should go in and ill give Quatermass and the Pit a vote

Originally Posted by realdealblues

I'll 2nd what he said...

Originally Posted by Sculpt

For the Final 22, I'd also like to back The Brides of Dracula, which I've always considered the best Hammer film.

Originally Posted by hammerfan

I'll back The Brides of Dracula and The Last Man on Earth

Hammerfan's & Sculpt's backing for Brides of Dracula during our second debate for the final 2 films for the 60s stay, since that was independent of the 20-film debating period. (all members are granted to back their listed films ONCE, same privilege is given for all members)

Hammerfan's second attempt at voting (one out of the SIX) for this round's SHOOTOUT won't be taken into account, since she has already voted for the film in her top 20 AND backed it during the subsequent debates.

Hence, Brides of Dracula has 9 supports behind it - 4 voters, 4 backers/second backers, and now Giganticface.

[neverending]

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

[_____V_____]

Added the relevant quoted posts and edited a few parts of my post above to clarify it a bit more. Please go through it again.

[_____V_____]

12 hours have passed, and the situation has stayed the same.

So, by default, The Brides of Dracula seals the final spot for the top 22 of the 1960s.

The other FIVE films in the fray for that final spot now line up in the probables for the Honorable Mentions.

We need ONE more from the rest to stack up with them.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthre...057#post954057

Agreements/objections/other suggestions?