HDC Presents: 100 Years of Horror

[metternich1815]

I'll cast a negative vote for Dawn of the Dead (2004), it was an okay movie, but there is no reason that it should be on the 2000s list. It is not bad, I just do not think that it is particularly good either. The original was definitely much better, in my opinion.

[Straker]

I'm neg voting a few things then since that seems to be a little more acceptable:

13 Ghosts- Crap movie.

Cabin in the Woods- Thought it was a quality little flick for the year, but just cause it came out 5 minuites ago and is fresh in peoples minds doesn't mean it warrants a spot in the top 20. I enjoyed it but in the grand scheme of things its really average.

Signs- I thought this was a horror movie list not a sci-fi list.... I'm all for blurring the genre lines a little, but if ever a movie was out and out sci-fi its this one. Its also pretty mediocre outside the performance of Joaquin Phoenix.

I'm seriously baffled by the neg votes for both Bubba Ho Tep but more specifically the negativity towards Shadow of the Vampire....

It's frankly laughable to hear people talk about original concepts and ideas and then neg rep one of the most original screenplays you could ever come across. It's one thing to not vote for it or even not rate it as a movie, but to neg rep it while talking about the originality of other movies in the same breath is laughable. I'd like to ask anyone on this forum to point me in the direction of a more creative and original vampire story than Shadow of the Vampire.

Also, what NE said, the lack of Asian cinema in the final cut is tragic....

To be honest though, Jeepers Creepers got 6 votes and sailed into the final 20, so its hard to give a fuck really...

[Kandarian Demon]

Originally Posted by _____V_____

As a standalone film maybe it can be called semi-decent but after all the marketing and hype of it being a horror film, and because of Shyamalan's brand name behind it, I went in expecting a solid horror film (I am a huge, huge fan of Unbreakable, loved The Sixth Sense, and Signs was more than decent too, IMO).

Imagine my jaw dropping in sheer surprise, and that followed by seething anger the moment the "twist" came in midway through the film! What followed from the "twist" onwards is well-known by now that it wasn't horror in the REMOTEST of senses.

When I watched that movie, I loved the first part of it - then "the twist" came, and the movie was completely ruined for me. So I totally agree with you. It COULD have been a good movie if it had allowed to actually BE a horror movie. But it left me feeling like a kid who has just been told that Santa isn't real.

Originally Posted by Straker

Signs- I thought this was a horror movie list not a sci-fi list.... I'm all for blurring the genre lines a little, but if ever a movie was out and out sci-fi its this one. Its also pretty mediocre outside the performance of Joaquin Phoenix.

Signs is - for ME personally - one of the most terrifying movies I have ever seen. When I first attempted to watch it, I had to leave the room, and I think that's the only time a horror movie has done that to me in my adult life.

I do get what you're saying about sci-fi, but I heard no complaints about Alien or The Thing making the lists... Signs is about "monsters from space" too.

[Sculpt]

We should all take a look at the master list again.

28 Days Later received 5 votes at the get go, has no negative votes, but is currently not in our top 22. It's at the top of my list of films to see, so I can't vote for it. But if any thought it was one of the best, give it your backing.

Also Prometheus and Devil's Backbone had a lot of votes, but no backing. So consider backing those.

I saw Prometheus, and I liked it. I'm a big fan of Alien, and Ridley Scott's work, but Pro was flayed to me. But I thought it was a little better than Decent, Cabin and Paranormal. If 28 Days and Devil's Backbone were better than Pro, I'd rather they go in.

[metternich1815]

Originally Posted by Straker

I'm neg voting a few things then since that seems to be a little more acceptable:

13 Ghosts- Crap movie.

Cabin in the Woods- Thought it was a quality little flick for the year, but just cause it came out 5 minuites ago and is fresh in peoples minds doesn't mean it warrants a spot in the top 20. I enjoyed it but in the grand scheme of things its really average.

Signs- I thought this was a horror movie list not a sci-fi list.... I'm all for blurring the genre lines a little, but if ever a movie was out and out sci-fi its this one. Its also pretty mediocre outside the performance of Joaquin Phoenix.

I'm seriously baffled by the neg votes for both Bubba Ho Tep but more specifically the negativity towards Shadow of the Vampire....

It's frankly laughable to hear people talk about original concepts and ideas and then neg rep one of the most original screenplays you could ever come across. It's one thing to not vote for it or even not rate it as a movie, but to neg rep it while talking about the originality of other movies in the same breath is laughable. I'd like to ask anyone on this forum to point me in the direction of a more creative and original vampire story than Shadow of the Vampire.

Also, what NE said, the lack of Asian cinema in the final cut is tragic....

To be honest though, Jeepers Creepers got 6 votes and sailed into the final 20, so its hard to give a fuck really...

Thirteen Ghosts was not a masterpiece, but far from a crap film. The story was very different, the make-up was excellent, and I found the atmosphere to be great. I would not include it in the top 22, but it is not a crap film.

You make a good point about it being very young, but I disagree on it being average. I think it was an excellent film with a strange, if weird, plot/storyline. The acting and character development was excellent. Additionally, the movie was hilarious, while also remaining clearly a horror movie. I especially enjoyed how the film satirized the horror genre. Despite being young, I believe it definitely deserves a place on the top 22.

Signs is as much a horror movie as it is a sci-fi. I think the film was very well-acted and directed. The story was unique and interesting. Additionally, there was great atmosphere and you could really feel for the characters. In my opinion, this film was genuinely creepy. It is far from mediocre. I will say I am surprised that it is one the list, but, in my opinion, it certainly deserves it.

I have never seen Bubba-Hotep, so have no opinion on it either way. As for Mark of the Vampire, I agree that it was an excellent film with terrific performances and a very unique premise. With that being said, I just can not imagine it on the top 22 list, it just seems like there are a number of other films that should be given a chance. Of course, I would not neg vote it because, like you said, it was very original, but I would not vote for it either.

I am glad, if surprised, that Jeepers Creepers is on the list. It definitely deserves a place for the reasons that I described. That is one film that gets way too much undeserved hate. I will repost my opinion here:" I thought the acting and character development was really good. Additionally, the story/plot was unique and intriguing. The creature looked very scary. Lastly, I thought that the film had excellent atmosphere. I was surprised it made the cut though because it is one of those films that gets a lot of undeserved hate. It definitely deserves a spot in the top 22 for 2000-2012."

Anyway, those are my thoughts on the topics you addressed.

Originally Posted by Kandarian Demon

Signs is - for ME personally - one of the most terrifying movies I have ever seen. When I first attempted to watch it, I had to leave the room, and I think that's the only time a horror movie has done that to me in my adult life.

I do get what you're saying about sci-fi, but I heard no complaints about Alien or The Thing making the lists... Signs is about "monsters from space" too.

I completely agree.

Originally Posted by Sculpt

We should all take a look at the master list again.

28 Days Later received 5 votes at the get go, has no negative votes, but is currently not in our top 22. It's at the top of my list of films to see, so I can't vote for it. But if any thought it was one of the best, give it your backing.

Also Prometheus and Devil's Backbone had a lot of votes, but no backing. So consider backing those.

I saw Prometheus, and I liked it. I'm a big fan of Alien, and Ridley Scott's work, but Pro was flayed to me. But I thought it was a little better than Decent, Cabin and Paranormal. If 28 Days and Devil's Backbone were better than Pro, I'd rather they go in.

You should definitely see 28 Days Later, it is excellent. I was surprised that it did not already make it. Prometheus was good, but I do not think I would put it in the top 22 of the period. I have not seen The Devil's Backbone. If this list did not include The Descent and Paranormal Activity, then I could not take it seriously. Both of those are excellent films and ones that I could see being called classics in the future. I would really like The Cabin in the Woods to get in too because I really loved it and thought it was an excellent film on several levels. I could deal with it, if it did not make it, but I would be greatly disappointed.

[neverending]

Personally, I don't find Jeepers Creepers to be original or well done at all. The script is a typical pastiche of monster film tropes, and the acting is average. I haven't argued against it because there seem to be so many who like it. Compromises have to be made.

I love Bubba Ho-Tep, and agree with everything Straker said about it. I just didn't put any comedies in my list, though I also love Fido and Zombieland.

I also love 28 Days Later, though I'm not going to give it any backing while other films I like better languish.

The debate about sci-fi vs. horror is a slippery slope. I don't consider Alien a horror movie, but everyone else does, so I shut up. I wouldn't consider Promethius a horror film either. But, if you start eliminating all films that have a scientific background, there go things like Frankenstein, so you make allowances.

In the end, these lists we make are not going to be any better or more accurate than any other list you'll find on the internet, but they pass the time.

[Straker]

Originally Posted by metternich1815

Thirteen Ghosts was not a masterpiece, but far from a crap film.

I disagree, I thought it was utter crap...

Originally Posted by metternich1815

You make a good point about it being very young, but I disagree on it being average. I think it was an excellent film with a strange, if weird, plot/storyline. The acting and character development was excellent. Additionally, the movie was hilarious, while also remaining clearly a horror movie. I especially enjoyed how the film satirized the horror genre. Despite being young, I believe it definitely deserves a place on the top 20.

I assume you are talking about Cabin in the Woods here.... My point about it being a new film is that people are only backing it because it is fresh in their minds.... If it was good enough to make the top 20 that would be fine, but it isn't, its fresh and fun, but not good enough to be considered a top 20 movie of this or any era. I can think of 50 better movies from the last 13 years, easily.

Originally Posted by metternich1815

Signs is as much a horror movie as it is a sci-fi.

No its not.... You can argue whether it can fit into the horror genre and I wouldn't have much of an argument against it, but it is clearly more weighted towards a sci-fi movie. But we are talking semantics, the only thing that is relevant is whether it belongs in the top 20 movies of the last 13 years and it really doesn't.

Originally Posted by metternich1815

As for Mark of the Vampire, I agree that it was an excellent film with terrific performances and a very unique premise. With that being said, I just can not imagine it on the top 20 list, it just seems like there are a number of other films that should be given a chance

Ironically, Mark of the Vampire is a Tod Browning flick from the 30's. But I'm pretty sure even Browning would be struggling to compete with the movies of the 2000s, which all seem to have great acting and character development....

[metternich1815]

Originally Posted by neverending

Personally, I don't find Jeepers Creepers to be original or well done at all. The script is a typical pastiche of monster film tropes, and the acting is average. I haven't argued against it because there seem to be so many who like it. Compromises have to be made.

I love Bubba Ho-Tep, and agree with everything Straker said about it. I just didn't put any comedies in my list, though I also love Fido and Zombieland.

I also love 28 Days Later, though I'm not going to give it any backing while other films I like better languish.

The debate about sci-fi vs. horror is a slippery slope. I don't consider Alien a horror movie, but everyone else does, so I shut up. I wouldn't consider Promethius a horror film either. But, if you start eliminating all films that have a scientific background, there go things like Frankenstein, so you make allowances.

In the end, these lists we make are not going to be any better or more accurate than any other list you'll find on the internet, but they pass the time.

I understand what you are saying on Jeepers Creepers, but I think that was intentional (to make it a typical monster movie). I disagree on the acting, I thought it was actually really good, in my opinion, I could really feel for the characters. I do understand and respect your views on the film though.

I consider any comedy that has a horror element to be horror and there are many sci-fis that I consider to be horror (The first Terminator, the Alien movies, the predator movies, Signs, Slither, and most of the 50s sci-fi, as well as their remakes such as The Thing and The Fly). Of course, I tend to cast a wide net of what is and is not horror. Prometheus is debatable, in my opinion, but, either way, I do not think I would include it on the top 22 of the 2000-2012.

I have not seen Bubba-Hotep and I believe that 28 Days Later seriously should be on the list and am deeply surprised it is not already.

I, personally, think that this list will be better than any on the internet because we all participated, in my opinion, that makes it inherently better.

I do deeply respect your opinions, even if I disagree with them.

By the way, I will back Ginger Snaps.

[Straker]

Originally Posted by neverending

I love Bubba Ho-Tep, and agree with everything Straker said about it. I just didn't put any comedies in my list, though I also love Fido and Zombieland.

I went back and forth on the comedy horror flicks, I have omitted them in other eras, but I felt like the 2000s was such a strong era for horror/ comedy that it was worth representing that... Both Bubba Ho-Tep and Fido made my 22, Zombieland still fell short though.

[metternich1815]

Originally Posted by Straker

I disagree, I thought it was utter crap...



I assume you are talking about Cabin in the Woods here.... My point about it being a new film is that people are only backing it because it is fresh in their minds.... If it was good enough to make the top 20 that would be fine, but it isn't, its fresh and fun, but not good enough to be considered a top 20 movie of this or any era. I can think of 50 better movies from the last 13 years, easily.



No its not.... You can argue whether it can fit into the horror genre and I wouldn't have much of an argument against it, but it is clearly more weighted towards a sci-fi movie. But we are talking semantics, the only thing that is relevant is whether it belongs in the top 20 movies of the last 13 years and it really doesn't.



Ironically, Mark of the Vampire is a Tod Browning flick from the 30's. But I'm pretty sure even Browning would be struggling to compete with the movies of the 2000s, which all seem to have great acting and character development....

You have the right to your opinion, but I believe that Thirteen Ghosts was actually quite excellent.

Obviously, I have already shared my views on The Cabin in the Woods, so I guess we will have to disagree there too.

I understand what you are saying on Signs, but I, personally, believe that it deserves a place in the list. In my opinion, it is great and still creeps me out.

Not all movies in the 2000s have great acting and character development, just the ones that I said they did (obviously in my opinion). I did not think that it as really that good in Dawn of the Dead (2004) as one example.

I guess on these we will have to agree to disagree because, while I see your arguments, I simply can not agree with them. I do respect your opinion though.