HDC Presents: 100 Years of Horror

[Straker]

I just want to say that if I say a movie sucks it doesn't mean that I am saying you suck for liking it.....

That said, I am all for a little bit of criticism and healthy debate, its part of the selection process and gets people to challenge their original lists. It's not a bad thing to critique people's choices if it sparks debate and its certainly not a bad thing for people to change their mind now and then.

I am enjoying the process and debate/ opinions, but equally I don't see any harm in calling movies out for the shit storm that they are. I'm happy to challenge peoples opinions if I don't agree, that's the point of having the debate in the first place. Its nothing personal and doesn't reflect my opinions on any individual and I certainly don't mean any harm or disrespect to anyone. People can look back through at some of the movies I have backed that haven't gotten a single vote, some of them probably people have seen and didn't like, some of them people probably haven't seen. It really doesn't matter what people make of your opinion, its better to have one and get a dialogue going....

In short, I am going to continue to hate on DBS and hope it doesn't make it into the top 20. :p

My own personal opinion on movies like Deep Blue Sea and a few of the other movies I consider questionable, is that you can like a movie without it actually being any good but that doesn't mean it belongs in the top 20 movies. The reason I am challenging and neg voting it is more to do with the fact that I think it's a weak choice than me criticising anyone for liking it. Example being, I had The Video Dead in my top 80s list. When it came to backing movies I didn't make a case for it, because I know it doesn't belong, I just love the movie and wanted to represent it in my list. The movie I did make a case for was The Changeling because I fully believed it to be amongst the best of the decade and deserving of a spot.

[metternich1815]

Originally Posted by Straker

I just want to say that if I say a movie sucks it doesn't mean that I am saying you suck for liking it.....

That said, I am all for a little bit of criticism and healthy debate, its part of the selection process and gets people to challenge their original lists. It's not a bad thing to critique people's choices if it sparks debate and its certainly not a bad thing for people to change their mind now and then.

I am enjoying the process and debate/ opinions, but equally I don't see any harm in calling movies out for the shit storm that they are. I'm happy to challenge peoples opinions if I don't agree, that's the point of having the debate in the first place. Its nothing personal and doesn't reflect my opinions on any individual and I certainly don't mean any harm or disrespect to anyone. People can look back through at some of the movies I have backed that haven't gotten a single vote, some of them probably people have seen and didn't like, some of them people probably haven't seen. It really doesn't matter what people make of your opinion, its better to have one and get a dialogue going....

In short, I am going to continue to hate on DBS and hope it doesn't make it into the top 20. :p

My own personal opinion on movies like Deep Blue Sea and a few of the other movies I consider questionable, is that you can like a movie without it actually being any good but that doesn't mean it belongs in the top 20 movies. The reason I am challenging and neg voting it is more to do with the fact that I think it's a weak choice than me criticising anyone for liking it. Example being, I had The Video Dead in my top 80s list. When it came to backing movies I didn't make a case for it, because I know it doesn't belong, I just love the movie and wanted to represent it in my list. The movie I did make a case for was The Changeling because I fully believed it to be amongst the best of the decade and deserving of a spot.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I do not take criticisms of films personally (at least I try not to). I actually greatly enjoy debating, in general. As for Deep Blue Sea, I respect your opinion, but can not see it at all because I have always considered it an excellent film. I actually thought the acting was really good, especially Samuel L. Jackson. As for story and plot, I actually consider it to be really strong and was used to explore the dangers of science. As for the special effects (i.e. CGI), I would have to agree it was pretty terrible, even by 90s standards. Honestly, I did not realize that that this film was hated by so many people. In fact, it is probably my favorite shark movie after Jaws. The same goes for Anaconda (in that I thought it was pretty good). I will say that, in my opinion, Deep Blue Sea was better than Anaconda, but I still thought Anaconda was really good, although I would not include it on a top 20 List. The only thing I disagree with is that some people seem to act like they know better than others. I find that to be pretentious. I don't claim to possess absolute knowledge of what are the best films and so should no one else. What one person considers "crap" another considers to be a masterpiece. So, I think we should debate the merits (or lack thereof) of said film. Anyway, those are my thoughts on this. If I insulted someone, I apologize (I have trouble understanding tone, so if my tone seems to harsh, I did not intend it to be so).

[Giganticface]

Well said, Straker, on all points. I think we have a similar philosophy regarding this thread.

[neverending]

I've decided to remove my original diatribe and the reactions to it as distracting from the task at hand.

I still decry how little people value a depth of knowledge on a subject, in favor of blind emotion.

It's tragic.

[The Villain]

I doubt this will encourage anyone else to do the same and therefore they probably won't be added to the final list but i would like to back Shakma and Hiruku The Goblin.

[_____V_____]

Still in search of 1 more film from the 90s to be finalised.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showpost...&postcount=468

Be minded that entries for the 2000s are still being accepted. I currently have EIGHT lists with me, and I hope to get at least SEVEN more, if not much more than that, before we start our compilation work.

http://www.horror.com/forum/showthre...=57593&page=41

[neverending]

I don't understand which films are in the final cut so far. I count 17 with 5 or more votes.


Okay, I see- it's all that are in bold.

Wow... I can't believe there's so little love for Sleepy Hollow. One of Burton's best, IMO.

If we need one more, I'll cast a vote for Nightbreed. Having recently seen Nightbreed: The Cabal Cut, the restored version that can only be seen at festivals or conventions, it was truly a mind blowing experience. Barker's best film by far.

Still, if somebody steps up with a vote for Sleepy Hollow, I'll withdraw my vote for Nightbreed.

[metternich1815]

I can't believe that you have only received 8 lists for the 00s! I figured you would have at least twelve or thirteen by now, especially since these are the most recent films.

[The Villain]

Originally Posted by neverending

I don't understand which films are in the final cut so far. I count 17 with 5 or more votes.


Okay, I see- it's all that are in bold.

Wow... I can't believe there's so little love for Sleepy Hollow. One of Burton's best, IMO.

If we need one more, I'll cast a vote for Nightbreed. Having recently seen Nightbreed: The Cabal Cut, the restored version that can only be seen at festivals or conventions, it was truly a mind blowing experience. Barker's best film by far.

Still, if somebody steps up with a vote for Sleepy Hollow, I'll withdraw my vote for Nightbreed.

I'm surprised too. Sleepy Hollow is a great film

[metternich1815]

Originally Posted by The Villain

I'm surprised too. Sleepy Hollow is a great film

I guess I need to watch this film again. I have always considered it to be good, but not excellent. I am curious what are your reasons why you believe it is a great film? I am not challenging your views by the question; I am actually curious.