Gay marriage

[Rotting Eye]

I'm gunna make a few threads about controversial issues. You don't have to start arguing about them, I just want to know what everyone thinks. But you can post an opinion if you want. Just be aware someone is probably going to argue with you.

Notice the options. I made two sets of options, which are pretty much the same, just some depend on how much you know about the topic. So pick between the two. Whether you know about the topic or not. There's a big difference between someone who's educated about a subject, and someone who decides blindly.

[Haunted]

Marriage is a sacred union that should be extended to gays and lesbians. They should have the right to be able to have that blessing bestowed upon them.

As a Pagan, I would handfast a gay or lesbian couple in a minute. I have no problem with it. As a matter of fact I've worked with a gay and lesbian organization to maintain rights here in NC.

[Je Suis Phnomne]

Originally posted by Haunted
Marriage is a sacred union that should be extended to gays and lesbians. They should have the right to be able to have that blessing bestowed upon them.

As a Pagan, I would handfast a gay or lesbian couple in a minute. I have no problem with it. As a matter of fact I've worked with a gay and lesbian organization to maintain rights here in NC.

While I respect your opinion Haunted, Im going to have to take the other side here. I believe firmly that marriage is a union that should only be shared by man and woman. Im not religious so I dont look at their union as blasphemus or whatnot. I just feel in this day and age when kids are having kids, marriages are breaking up over cybersex, and a family of someone that smoked for 45 years can sue for millions and win after that person passes on we as a society are getting out of control. If they wish to spend their lives together, fine so be it, but no matter how hard they try to pretend that their union is the same as man and woman its not, and if anything it draws more attention to the difference by fighting to have this right.

Not looking to fight over this....just my opinion

[Dreaming Girl]

Well, I don't support "marriage" by law in the first place, so...

I personally believe "marriage" should be a private ritual symbolising love. The law should only be involved to the extent of allowing, for instance, one's partner(s) visitation rights if in the hospital and such. Which, frankly, shouldn't be an issue of "law" anyway. The "law" has no place in people's personal lives unless those involved choose it to be so --- ie, splitting up and being unable to settle on their own child custody and such.

That being said - I support all consensual partnerships (being a bisexual polyamorist myself).

[Dreaming Girl]

Originally posted by Je Suis Phnomne
I just feel in this day and age when kids are having kids, marriages are breaking up over cybersex, and a family of someone that smoked for 45 years can sue for millions and win after that person passes on we as a society are getting out of control.

The only thing I don't understand about this statement is that you seem to be comparing a consensual, loving partnership to various negative aspects of society. What's "out of control" about a consensual, loving partnership between adults?

Also, I don't really think the fight to marry underscores the difference between hetero and homosexual unions. After all, fifty years ago interacial marriages were illegal and being fought for much the same way same-sex unions are being fought for now.

[cheebacheeba]

Why you'd wanna get married under a church/religion that spits on your lifestyle is beyond me....
It's called "common law"....go have someone "legally" deem you married, and celebrate someplace where you're not descriminated against....shit, it's like most gay ppl probably wanna get "married" under a certain church and/or religion just to prove a point....

[Vodstok]

I dont understand what the "harm" is resulting from a same-sex marriage. I think (at least in the bible belt and with many staunchly religious people), allowing homosexual marriage would be saying that it is okay to be homosexual, and they cant have that. It's nothing more than fear of what they dont understand and dont want to.

The Catholic church is completely against gay marriage. hell, it was only a few years ago that the pope stated it was okay for a parent to love their gay kid. (what the fuck is that?!?!) Ironically, they turned a blind eye for DECADES towards preists that were molesting children.

Read this:
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k...r/index_1.html

It's a very sickening story. As far as I'm concerned, it completely negates the Catholic Church's moral standing.

That aside, i think it should be fine for homosexuals to get married. Why not let them have as normal a life as they want? Simply because their sexual preference differs from the norm, doesnt make them lesser people. if it's "Not natural", then why do we bother curing disease?That's not natural.... Kids born with Down's Syndrome or other forms of genetic disorders or retardation wouldnt last in nature, so why let them live?

easy, because we are humans and it is whithin our power to break the laws of nature to suit a moral lifestyle. Being attracted to your own sex is not a choice, i dont even believe its a "lifestyle". I have met more people who were just gay than ones who had a traumatic childhood and "became" gay.

I guess, in short, the world should get the fuck over it. Let them get better insurance and get taxed more, just like everyone else.

[Rotting Eye]

Originally posted by Vodstok
I dont understand what the "harm" is resulting from a same-sex marriage. I think (at least in the bible belt and with many staunchly religious people), allowing homosexual marriage would be saying that it is okay to be homosexual, and they cant have that. It's nothing more than fear of what they dont understand and dont want to.

I guess, in short, the world should get the fuck over it. Let them get better insurance and get taxed more, just like everyone else.

I'm not a religious person, but I don't believe Jesus ever commented on homosexuality. If it were such an important subject, don't you think maybe the son of God would have said something about it?

The second paragraph- The problem with not being allowed to marry is that gay couples don't get certain priviledges that only married couples are allowed. Even in civil unions they don't get all the priviledges. For example they don't get the same insurance benefits, they can't visit their loved one in hospitals (not married=not family), and some companies base a portion of income on marriage.

So I say, let them get married. Jesus never spoke against it, and gay couples only want to be treated as equals.

[sleepaway]

I think it's really wrong that gay couples do not get the same benefits that "married" couples get in term of tax and everything so just for this reason alone there should be gay marraiges and I think there will be one day it just takes time. And what difference does it make anyway? I think gay couples are more into the legal side of things than the religious side of marriage.

[Vodstok]

exactly. If ypu refuse to hire someone because they are gay, you get prosecuted by the same law as refusing to hire someone because they are jewish, female, black, retarded, etc. how is this any different?