a hypothetical...

[fluffho]

a bit religious.... ill try and keep it simple

i got to learn a lot about jehovahs witnesses through a friend. one thing she said was they are against blood transfusions, something because blood is life and only god can give life or some junk

so i asked her, lets say her little sister were in a car accident and her blood is all spilled into some canyon, meaning u cant scoop it up and clean it like she kept telling me about.. they would let her die rather than takea transfusion?

she siad yes, because thats what GOd wouldve wanted.

so here are my questions, maybe there are some nurses or people with legal knowledge here

- im pretty sure that u can use the religoin excuse when it comes to military type stuff.. so how abou this? last time i checked, doctors just rush to save people and dont ask too many questions

-lets say the car crash happens and they give her the transfusion BEFORE they are able to reach the parents? what then?

-maybe they wear a special bracelet like diabetics do?

-legally, is this even ALLOWED? i dont doubt in my mind at all that they woudl refuse the transfusion, but at least to me, this is bordering on murder!!! imagine being the doctor or nurse right there and being told NOT to save the child!

-its a difference between someone who is of age and who is not, if they are not then the parents make the decisions. but if they are, then could they sit there and say "no i dont want a transfusion. i want to die'?

... JUst wondering!!!! some BS isnt it??

[orangestar]

Im so happy that I was not raise a Jahovas Witness, they dont get birthday parties!

I saw an episode about this on The Practice. Basically, if the parents dont want the child to have the transfusion, they dont do it. Which I think is a load of shit. Whoever cares more about following every rule of their religion than their own child is not fit to be a parent.

Dont rely on that info lol it was on TV, but I think thats pretty close to the truth.

[kpropain]

To bad jehovahs witnesses are like dogs, you can't chase em off with a stick....

[bloodrayne]

With this issue or any other...Whether we believe in God or not...We are ALL given free will...If God wanted people to die, rather than have a transfusion...Why would he ALLOW transfusions to be an option?...Have these people who say "God wants it this way" ever spoken to God?...Does the bible SPECIFICALLY say, "Allow your children to die if transfusion is the only option"?...The bible DOES say to "protect" your children, and so if transfusion is the only way to save them, I would say that letting them die, is NOT protecting them

There are so many ways to interpret the bible, why would someone choose to believe an interpretation that allows children to die for no reason?...That actually sounds evil to me...You know, the bible ALSO says that Satan knows the bible just as well as anyone else...Perhaps those who believe are influenced by more than one entity...Case in point: Reverend Jim Jones...Was THAT "God's Will"?...Why would we be given ANY free will at all, if all of our decisions have supposedly already been made by doctrine?...I can't imagine ANY situation in which God would "order" a child's death

We have brains, people...We HAVE to use them...and we HAVE to protect our children

[Freddy Krueger.]

Originally posted by bloodrayne
With this issue or any other...Whether we believe in God or not...We are ALL given free will...If God wanted people to die, rather than have a transfusion...Why would he ALLOW transfusions to be an option?...Have these people who say "God wants it this way" ever spoken to God?...Does the bible SPECIFICALLY say, "Allow your children to die if transfusion is the only option"?...The bible DOES say to "protect" your children, and so if transfusion is the only way to save them, I would say that letting them die, is NOT protecting them

There are so many ways to interpret the bible, why would someone choose to believe an interpretation that allows children to die for no reason?...That actually sounds evil to me...You know, the bible ALSO says that Satan knows the bible just as well as anyone else...Perhaps those who believe are influenced by more than one entity...Case in point: Reverend Jim Jones...Was THAT "God's Will"?...Why would we be given ANY free will at all, if all of our decisions have supposedly already been made by doctrine?...I can't imagine ANY situation in which God would "order" a child's death

We have brains, people...We HAVE to use them...and we HAVE to protect our children

First, we had a argument like this in a Thread. "What do you think god and saten looks like" I belive it was. And God would "order" a death of a child. Everyone and everything has a meaning for being. Nothing just happens, its all part of a plan. If the child dies, although to some it may be hard to accept but it was ment to be. A mother of farther would think otherwise. But nothing just happens. The child was ment to die. Second, why protect them when you can inslave them? You brought them into this world and you can take 'em out. The children should obey their creaters. For if it wasn't for them, they wouldn't even exist.

[fluffho]

mainly, i am curious as to the legality of this. im not sure how accurate the practice is as i just watched law and order ( my mom watches this) and even they do some stupid crap. wish i knew a judge or lawyer or someone!

anyway i guess the thing that bothers me is basically parents are calling on the death of the child. its not like the child has any say in this, not that they could really understand it anyway. i guess it would be different if it was a grown person that said that they didtn want the transfusion.

i guess thats what irks me most with religion. i want my child to be at an age where they can start to think on their own.. maybe 16 or maybe even 13, and let them choose a religion on their own over time, rather than be born and forced into one. BUT i guess thats how u keep religoins alive, is forcing people and scaring them into staying so whatever works i gues.

i nkow there are different versions of the bible, and in the version that she uses, and that she gave me, it specificaly said 'do not receive blood' or some crap like that. meaning wasnt like metaphor it just said that. also said things like 'men shal not have long hair for they are not women' and some other crap like that.

i never thought abou the idea though that yes the bible is a set of guidelines but how about when they contradict themselves? ive only read bits and pieces of it so im not so sure of the rules, just the ten commandments but even those im a bit murky with.

[bloodrayne]

Originally posted by fluffho
i nkow there are different versions of the bible, and in the version that she uses, and that she gave me, it specificaly said 'do not receive blood' or some crap like that. meaning wasnt like metaphor it just said that.

However this is almost ALWAYS interpreted as "Do not CONSUME blood"...Do not drink it...Transfusion wasn't even a possibility at the time that the bible was written, and therefore, could not have been specifically mentioned...This just proves that any part of the bible, can be (and is) interpreted in many different ways...I just don't understand why anyone would CHOOSE to interpret it in a manner that would allow a child to die

As for the legal aspects...A parent has a right to refuse medical attention, based on religion...However, if the child dies, that parent can be tried and prosecuted for severe medical neglect resulting in death...BUT, if they have a good enough lawyer, and a sympathetic jury (if it goes to trial)...They could still go free...This may vary by state, but I believe it to be generally so

[bloodygurl02]

fluff u got me curious on this now. i think i am gonna do some reading on these guys just to see how fucked up they r... i knew they were fucked up b4 this but i just wanna see how much more fucked up they get

[fluffho]

i have all the bibles and papers in a box but they are under my bed and its a pain lifting up that mattress.

oddly i think it really DID say transfusion, but i could be wrong. it has been a while since ive read it.

i wouldnt say that transfusions did or did not exist then, i mean look at the pyramids.. who woulda thought? anyways it could just mean it was never written down.. who knows thuogh. but i will look it up when i get less lazy

anyways bg some about witnesses to give u an overview

-jury duty is ok so long as not murder/death penalty case
-cannot join work unions (this is the same sorta thing like not standing up for the national anthem as ur pledging urself to someone other than god)
-no bdays, mothers day, etc
-they will not celebrate christmas however do attend a special mass for christs' death..
-no tattoos (says this in the bible clearly) however u CAN have piercings however u CANT be weird about it.. however interpretation is different as theres no specific rule on piercings so for the girl i knew, she thinks 1 in each ear is ok but she knows witnesses who have 2 in each ear
-not allowed to even read about ot research other religions, let alone join in on mass with them (i attended 1 with her) cuz thats allowing the devil to tempt u
-mormons are the worst

theres more but they escape me right onw. its been so damn hot and i been in front of the fan all day adn now my eyes r dry

[bloodygurl02]

thanx fluff i found some info about them here its a site that tells about there beliefs and such

http://www.carm.org/witnesses.htm


i loe pissing these ppl off whne they come to the door its been a while last time they did i had my friend come to the door w/ me and told them we r satanists:D