Why the battlestar galactica finale sucked all ass

[Kemal]

I've had it with anti-science/technology themes.

[spoilers follow, although the whole deal is such a gigantic, steaming pile of shit that you shouldn't care]

The humans finally find Earth but rather than set up a livable settlement, they unanimously decide to abandon their technology, their weapons, their equipment... because technology is somehow the source of their discontent. They set their spaceships on cruise control into the sun. They reject modernity and set off wandering the world la-la Captain Caveman while their leader flies off to die alone on a hill. Suddenly a race of people that has been living with electricity and running water is going to try to survive with nothing more then the clothes on their backs and the contents of a duffel bag.

This kind of luddite, back to nature bullshit infests a lot of stories these days. Let's think about this for a minute. Without our intelligence and our ability to use tools we're just a bunch of chimps - smaller, weaker, slower chimps. We're walking snack packs for lions and any other predator. You want to know what life was like in the good old days before all that Evil science and technology? You lose your teeth and die before you're thirty four, your children all die of diphtheria. Ninety percent of your days are spent doing back breaking manual labor and your nights are spent sleeping with one eye open for hungry animals.

But what do you expect from the channel that gave us such gems as Ice spiders and Boa versus Python?

I want to throw Ron Moore through a plate glass window for having him waste those hours of my life.

[ChronoGrl]

I AGREE!

And rather eloquently stated, Kemal. All of that bothered me a LOT. It was beyond my ability to suspend my disbelief and didn't provide me with any closure at all - JUST DISAPPOINTMENT.


[CONTINUING SPOILERS]








I honestly believe that the writers just didn't know what to do with the show. I really do. From the outset, seasons 1, 2, and 3 are so superbly strong (some bad episodes here and there, but that happens with every show) that it was probably a pipedream to think that they could reconcile anything.

My major issues:

1. Starbuck's a fucking angel. A FUCKING ANGEL. Not a cylon. Not the final 5. Not the ONE. A fucking ANGEL. You're KIDDING ME. One of the things that the show had done well up to that point is to tread the whole God/Religious line pretty well... BUT SHE'S AN ANGLE?!
2. The "Eight" Cylon Daniel. WHAT THE HELL?! Why introduce him and then not reveal that he's someone in the crew? What? He just DIED? Or were we lead to believe that he was Adama? (Based on the flashbacks when he refused to answer the question, "Are you a Cylon?" and also back in Season 2 when the cylon told Starbuck, "ADAMA IS A CYLON!" Is that it? HUH?
3. The Opera House. The Heaven/Hell/Limbo-like ethereal Opera House reveal was incredibly lame. It has NOTHING to do with furthering Man's or Cylon's future (in fact, it was the catalyst to END Cylon future thanks to Chief being a pussy and getting pissed that his lameass cheating bitch awful actor contrived wife Kalley was murdered - ARGH! LAME!)
4. Gaius and Six as Saviors - We're lead up the entire season to believe that their roles were to do something BIG. MEANINGFUL. Are they Gods??? What is their purpose??? Oh, uhm, they just negotiated against Hera's life and won. Hrmph. THAT was satisfying.
5. Boomer. ARGH. Quite possibly one of my favorite characters in the beginning of the show. Incredibly sympathetic. LOVED her relationship with Chief. LOVED the cylon-centric episode when she resurrects and, along with Gaius' Six they fight against the Cylons... I was LOOKING FORWARD to a Chief/Boomer reunion... But the story that she just USED him to get Hera... And then stole Hera back again... WHAT WAS THE POINT?! ARGH.
6. Philosophy - The beginning of the show brought up a LOT of philosophy. Man vs. Machine. Human Rights (not granting them to Cylons as an allegory to racism). Free Will vs. Destiny (the religious or Nihilistic aspect) - Brilliant and interesting stuff!! Which was all thrown away for this retarded agrarian idyllic life... WHAT THE HELL?! And if they just throw away all of their technology... HOW WILL THEY SURVIVE?!?!?!?!
7. Oh, and the epilogue with Six and Gauis on OUR Earth. Was unnecessary, preachy, and dumb. DUMB.

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[cheebacheeba]

Yknow...BSG has always had it's ups and downs IMO...Its main curse from my perspective was that the amount of time it got timechanged and the whole "mid season breaks" thing really got annoying, in a show where there's multiple versions of a few characters (season 3+ mainly) it's a real pissoff to follow who's who.
Now, I've recently had no net available for about 2 months, I usually download as we get them at a pathetically delayed rate here. I got back online, downloaded what I've missed, and sat down to the fifth-last episode to experience the same frustration yet again.
Season 1&2 I loved, 3 was not bad, 4 has thus far been shit if you ask me, and in all honesty I think that I read your spoilers simply because I stopped giving a shit.
Having read them pretty much confirms the decision I'd already come to - I won't be bothering with the ending...the show seems to have crawled to its death.

[ChronoGrl]

Originally Posted by cheebacheeba

Season 1&2 I loved, 3 was not bad, 4 has thus far been shit if you ask me, and in all honesty I think that I read your spoilers simply because I stopped giving a shit.
Having read them pretty much confirms the decision I'd already come to - I won't be bothering with the ending...the show seems to have crawled to its death.

I agree on all those points. 1 and 2 were really the stars of the series and while 3 started off well, it digressed into a space melodrama between Starbuck, Lee, Anders, and D when it should have been focusing on Earth and Balthar's Trial.

I think I should just watch 1, 2, and the beginning of 3 again and then pretend the rest didn't happen. Make up my own ending.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

I'll get back to that. That sounds like fun.

Make Your Own BSG Ending... C'MON Cheebs, Kemal - Fans... Let's do it!

[Papillon Noir]

Originally Posted by ChronoGrl

I AGREE!

And rather eloquently stated, Kemal. All of that bothered me a LOT. It was beyond my ability to suspend my disbelief and didn't provide me with any closure at all - JUST DISAPPOINTMENT.


[CONTINUING SPOILERS]


I honestly believe that the writers just didn't know what to do with the show. I really do. From the outset, seasons 1, 2, and 3 are so superbly strong (some bad episodes here and there, but that happens with every show) that it was probably a pipedream to think that they could reconcile anything.

My major issues:

1. Starbuck's a fucking angel. A FUCKING ANGEL. Not a cylon. Not the final 5. Not the ONE. A fucking ANGEL. You're KIDDING ME. One of the things that the show had done well up to that point is to tread the whole God/Religious line pretty well... BUT SHE'S AN ANGLE?!
2. The "Eight" Cylon Daniel. WHAT THE HELL?! Why introduce him and then not reveal that he's someone in the crew? What? He just DIED? Or were we lead to believe that he was Adama? (Based on the flashbacks when he refused to answer the question, "Are you a Cylon?" and also back in Season 2 when the cylon told Starbuck, "ADAMA IS A CYLON!" Is that it? HUH?
3. The Opera House. The Heaven/Hell/Limbo-like ethereal Opera House reveal was incredibly lame. It has NOTHING to do with furthering Man's or Cylon's future (in fact, it was the catalyst to END Cylon future thanks to Chief being a pussy and getting pissed that his lameass cheating bitch awful actor contrived wife Kalley was murdered - ARGH! LAME!)
4. Gaius and Six as Saviors - We're lead up the entire season to believe that their roles were to do something BIG. MEANINGFUL. Are they Gods??? What is their purpose??? Oh, uhm, they just negotiated against Hera's life and won. Hrmph. THAT was satisfying.
5. Boomer. ARGH. Quite possibly one of my favorite characters in the beginning of the show. Incredibly sympathetic. LOVED her relationship with Chief. LOVED the cylon-centric episode when she resurrects and, along with Gaius' Six they fight against the Cylons... I was LOOKING FORWARD to a Chief/Boomer reunion... But the story that she just USED him to get Hera... And then stole Hera back again... WHAT WAS THE POINT?! ARGH.
6. Philosophy - The beginning of the show brought up a LOT of philosophy. Man vs. Machine. Human Rights (not granting them to Cylons as an allegory to racism). Free Will vs. Destiny (the religious or Nihilistic aspect) - Brilliant and interesting stuff!! Which was all thrown away for this retarded agrarian idyllic life... WHAT THE HELL?! And if they just throw away all of their technology... HOW WILL THEY SURVIVE?!?!?!?!
7. Oh, and the epilogue with Six and Gauis on OUR Earth. Was unnecessary, preachy, and dumb. DUMB.

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Amen, sister!

I too was rather let down.

Spoilers:

I felt they should have ended it with them finding Earth the first time and it being a shitty rock. It was nihilistic and kinda made you think about how the whole thing started and that maybe making robots is not the best idea.

But nooooo, they had to string along the series for another 1/2 of a season promising answers and getting uninventive crap! Let's be Hunters and Gatherers again when we know absolutely nothing about hunting or gathering! We'll just plant crops with no seeds! ARRRGGGGHHH!

Kara as an angel or whatever the hell she was suppose to be was lame. I thought maybe she was a half human/cylon and that Daniel was her father since she knew the same music as Hera. Yep, they screw that one up too!

And that Opera House reveal was so dumb! They just should have left it as a vision or something.

End Spoiler

[ChronoGrl]

Originally Posted by Papillon Noir

Amen, sister!

I too was rather let down.

Spoilers:

I felt they should have ended it with them finding Earth the first time and it being a shitty rock. It was nihilistic and kinda made you think about how the whole thing started and that maybe making robots is not the best idea.

But nooooo, they had to string along the series for another 1/2 of a season promising answers and getting uninventive crap! Let's be Hunters and Gatherers again when we know absolutely nothing about hunting or gathering! We'll just plant crops with no seeds! ARRRGGGGHHH!

Kara as an angel or whatever the hell she was suppose to be was lame. I thought maybe she was a half human/cylon and that Daniel was her father since she knew the same music as Hera. Yep, they screw that one up too!

And that Opera House reveal was so dumb! They just should have left it as a vision or something.

End Spoiler

I agree with all of that, especially re their discovery of Earth. The season premier was so incredibly epic, powerful, dark - The should have left themselves there.

[the_real_linda]

.....just me who enjoyed it then ;)


at every turn it felt like "oh thats the end" then there was another scene... "okay now its the end... oh no just adverts"

I dont think the end needed to be as long as it was but it had some nice moments between the characters again, i felt like they all paired off and/or went off into this new world alone.