Who do you think won the Presidential debate?

[Stingy Jack]

Personally, I think Kerry won the debate easily. The whole theme of this debate, that I saw, was whether or not a President should admit he made a mistake when he does make one and change his course of action to fix the mistake.

It is a fact that the war in Iraq was, is, and continues to be a mess. This mess was caused by the errors in judgement committed by Bush. Last night, Kerry tried to get Bush to admit that he did not handle the war situation in the best possible way, but Bush refused to admit to making an error. Instead, Bush blasted Kerry for suggesting that we change how the war is operated, saying that to do so would "send mixed messages" to the world that the American President doesn't know what he's doing -- a message that would be devastating. Kerry, on the other hand, argued that "if you make a mistake, fix it!" Don't continue down the same path errors just to avoid admitting you were wrong. It would be like me in the classroom: Let's say I've developed a certain teaching strategy that I was certain would work. However, when I implement this strategy in the classroom, it is a huge failure. Kids aren't learning, they're constantly confused, and they begin to misbehave because they don't know what's going on in the lessons. Bush's response to this would be: "Keep going with the same strategy. If you change now, it would send a message to the kids that you are an uncertain teacher who doesn't think through what he does. You will lose their respect that way." Kerry's response: "Change the way you teach. It is far less damaging to admit you were wrong and try to repair the error, than it would be to continue with this same line of devastating action."

I agree with Kerry, and I think Bush made himself out to look pretty foolish last night.

[zwoti]

the king of the long posts returns to form :D

unfortunately being from the uk and having absolutely no interest in any form of politics.....this is the limit to my contribution to the subject.

[FreddyC.Krueger]

Originally posted by Stingy Jack

I think Bush made himself out to look pretty foolish last night.

He does that every time he opens his idiotic mouth, the dumbass baster. Kerry won, hands down. I still say Jerry should be the president. "Screw Kerry! Vote Jerry!"


Kerry/Edwards For President--it's the better and right choice.

And welcome back ol' mighty king. Still serching through the pupkin path?

[amycutthroat]

My biggest beef, if you will, regarding iraq was that implications were made relating it to the 9/11 terrorist attacks and we were told that inteligence reports that WMD are being harbored and that is the purpose of our going against the UN to invade iraq.

then, oh snap, no WMD but we did capture a genocidal dictator and we're going to establish a new regime -- Mission accomplished.

how is the mission accomplished if the mission was based on fictional WMD?

That aside, how hypocritical that we should ignore so much that happens in the world yet step in in Iraq. We waste our lives and resources on the newly fabricated mission where we turn our backs on so much suffering that happens elsewhere, often at our hands?

eff that, yo.

[Gothic-chick]

The most disturbing thing I heard during the whole debate was when Kerry said the USA should open bilateral talks with North Korea. What the fuck? God help us if that man gets elected.....



George Bush is a great American and Leader! Hopefully he will continue to be our President for the next 4 years........ he's no doubt got my vote again.

[ShankS]

Originally posted by zwoti


unfortunately being from the uk ......this is the limit to my contribution to the subject.

ditto.

we only get to see clips of it on tv(dont have satellite tv) so dont really get to follow whats happening.

[Haunted]

Kerry, hands down. I was applauding when he discussed extra protection for nuclear and chemical plants. My father, literally, did Homer Simpson's job at a nuclear station. I don't want to be sitting in Three Mile Island.

Kerry 2005!

[Gothic-chick]

Originally posted by amycutthroat
My biggest beef, if you will, regarding iraq was that implications were made relating it to the 9/11 terrorist attacks and we were told that inteligence reports that WMD are being harbored and that is the purpose of our going against the UN to invade iraq.

then, oh snap, no WMD but we did capture a genocidal dictator and we're going to establish a new regime -- Mission accomplished.

how is the mission accomplished if the mission was based on fictional WMD?

That aside, how hypocritical that we should ignore so much that happens in the world yet step in in Iraq. We waste our lives and resources on the newly fabricated mission where we turn our backs on so much suffering that happens elsewhere, often at our hands?

eff that, yo.

The biggest problem the whole world faces is radical Muslim terrorists. Don't you get it??? They will not stop and the will not rest until they have killed everyone on this planet who doesn't share their beliefs and live under their rules.

The reasons for the war in Iraq go WAY beyond WMD's.. Those poor people along with millions of others spread across the globe have been and still are praying for someone"America" to come help them.

It's pretty clear to me that our Country needs to be lead by someone who understands that completely and has the intestinal fortitude to do what it takes to make our world safer from these maniacs ( not someone who changes his mind to go along with whatever the current polls state).

War sucks, yeah and nobody wants it (except the terrorists) You can NOT get through to those people with words, they don't care about anything but killing and destroying the west.


They do not think the same way we do... Would you strap a bomb to yourself and walk into a crowd of innocent people so you could have 72 virgins in heaven? Would you chop off a mans head who is in your Country to help your people? Would you strap bombs to children and force them to walk into a building that has just been built to provide fresh water to thousands of people?

Yeah, lets sit and talk with these motherfuckers! Maybe we can change their minds and live in a perfect Utopia with them...

The reality is we have to kill them before they get ahold of Nukes because they WILL use them!

[amycutthroat]

I feel that it is very narrow-minded to belittle others' religious beliefs because they differ from your own. I also feel that you're making unfair generalizations and assumptions due to this.

That aside, the main purpose of the war in iraq, which is entirely seperate, mind you, was that they were supposedly harboring WMD. We go there and find no WMD, but capture saddam. If that was the intent from the begining, why did our President not position that to us?

[Haunted]

Um...he (Kerry) doesn't want to "talk" to the terrorists. He specifically said that he wanted to "kill" them. He wants to "talk" with the nations of the world to help solve this problem.

Just wanted to clear that up.