[Kandarian Demon]

Interesting debate :)

Well... I have a feeling I'm about to get in trouble :D

I'm a woman - who happens to be an anti-feminist, and very tired of the sexism debates. Not that I'm saying that sexism doesn't exist - although I am of the opinion that it goes both ways.

But I'm incredibly tired of how these "strong, independent woman" feels the need to whine and complain until they get their way - the protection they say they don't need - no matter how woman are portrayed in art and in the media. If there's not enough woman, they complain - if there is, they complain about how they're portrayed.

I agree with you - whatever they do to when they portray woman, it will be viewed as sexism. It's a game you just can't win.

Did anyone ever say "I really don't think it's ok how so many men are killed and tortured in horror movies and video games"? No... nobody even thinks about it, because that's what happens in a horror movie... people die! And although I don't have an actual statistic to prove my claim, I would say that far more male characters are victimized in horror movies. More often than not, the last survivor, the hero, is a woman.

I've also noticed how woman tend to get very excited when male characters - or even men in real life - have their private parts mutilated in one way or another."Teeth" was a COMEDY about a vagina with teeth, and I know for a fact that a lot of woman LOVED it. I don't recall that anyone ever questioned if the theme of the movie was ok or not... but I am pretty sure that if the story had been about a man who had the ability to mutilate the vaginas of woman... well, that movie would probably never have been made, would it!

And when it comes to the "objectification" of woman, uhh... what about all the girls who would eat Justin Bieber alive if he didn't have security? We have plenty of "eye candy" too, and it's socially acceptable for us to be very open and honest about it too. Men would be labelled as "sexist pigs" if they talked about female celebrities the way us girls talk about our male idols.

You can draw a parallel to how a man is a "pig who takes advantage of young woman" if he is in a loving relationship with a younger woman - but an older woman who is very open about how she picks up young men for sex? She's not an old pig, she's not taking advantage of anyone... she's a liberated, modern woman... a "cougar", a heroine, and she might even get her own reality show!

I know, I know... a typical argument is that "it's different because woman have it so hard"... but I find that a very, very bad excuse for having double standards.

I agree with you that "our" idea of what a "real man" or a "real hero" is, is pretty ridiculous - and I really see that as a form of sexism too. You guys seem to be stuck in a very stereotypical role, and at the same time, "we" woman can't make up our minds... one minute you have to be superheroes, and the next, you get bashed for being "cavemen". "Equality" is completely on our terms, and can be twisted and turned around whenever it's convenient for us.

Again, as a woman, I have to say this in response to how you described Ripley... as someone who "doesn't need a man" - what's wrong with needing a man sometimes? It's nature, and in many ways it's logical, as you are generally stronger than we are (with some expections), and are usually better at keeping a cool head. I'm not ashamed to say that I feel safer in the company of a man. It bothers me that us more "old-fashioned" woman are looked down upon in the name of "womans rights", and no matter what we say to defend ourselves, we're either "traitors" or "so brainwashed that we don't even know how much we really hate it". Where's my free choice, that's what I would like to know... I hate that feminists have taken away my right to be a woman, in the way that is feels right and natural for me. And I hate that they have the right to target me for trying anyway. I hate that when I speak my mind, they have the right to shut me up, to ban me, to delete me.

When woman whine about horror movies, video games etc. - when they want stuff banned, or scold and boycot the companies and creators for creating and releasing the material... what they don't realise is that what they're REALLY saying is "we're woman, we're so weak that we need protection from the media and from pop culture, and we need to have special rights"...

With true equality, we wouldn't give it a second thought. It's a horror movie - we're all equal - we'll all get killed :D

And I probably will be now, haha :D