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Originally Posted by siorai
You're right, I probably should have hidden what I said, but honestly it looks like nobody cares at all about this movie so why bother?
Spoilers ahead, but then again I obviously have missed the point of the movie according to most so this is just going to be my fantasyland version anyway.
Firstly, she wasn't lobotomized as punishment. That was set up as soon as she was brought it. That's why there was a timeframe as to when the "Big Roller" was coming to get her. Of course the signature was forged for the lobotomy because the orderly got paid off to have it done. The stepfather knew he was screwed and would get no money ever so the best solution was a lobotomy so Baby Doll could never tell the truth. As for her being insane, yes I believe she was or at least in such a depression to be effectively not of this reality anymore. She just went through her mother dying in the next room, presumably after a long illness? Then her stepfather proceeds to attempt to molest her and her sister. Then to top it all off, in the attempt to save her sister, she inadvertently kills her. Maybe that wouldn't drive you completely insane, but I feel that she definitely had some serious issues at that point. Plus she did get drugged which would just add to the whole scenario. Of course she set the fire and whatnot. The brothel and action-packed worlds were her brain's way of dealing with it. The brothel reality wasn't deep enough for her mind so it retreated further. As for when it was all created in her head, it was in the days before the lobotomy. Again, it was just her fragile mind's way of dealing with the situation.
How is having an imaginary world within an imaginary world any different from Inception? Seriously I would like to know because as far as I can see it it's the same exact scenario. As for it being confusing, how so? I thought it was pretty obvious. Real world = dark, grungy, they're all in an asylum. Brothel (not real) = bright, kinda grungy, they're all whores. Fantasyland (definitely not real) = complete non-reality, they're all super-duper kickass. I find that to be far more in your face than Inception was since every level of dream pretty much looks like real life where the characters started.
I do agree about the bus driver though. That made no sense at all really.
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There's really no point in hiding the spoilers anymore since we both basically spoiled it anyway.
You're right about why the lobotomy was taking place, i had forgotten about that.
Look im not arguing why she created the stupid worlds. That's not my point, my point is that its just ridiculous and boring that after all that, it was just a fantasy world that she created in her head. I pretty much suspected that the video game levels/over done special effects scenes/whatever were in her head which was just dumb because why would she need to go into some kind of weird world in her head while she danced and distracted the people so her friends could steal random items so they could escape? It made sense when you found out that she was just trying to cope with everything but re-read that paragraph i just wrote and then try and tell me that isnt crazy.
The movie was boring, even during the action scenes and i just couldnt get past how unbelievably stupid it was that this girl was dancing to distract people so her friends could steal random items to escape and while dancing her mind took her to a fantasy world where she fought robots and nazis. There, i just rewrote it in a slightly different way and it still sounds like the stupidest plot idea ever made. Maybe this idea would work if it had a comedic element to it but the movie was trying to be dark and serious.
I never said i was confused about which world was which, it was very obvious which world was which but try explaining the entire scenario to someone and tell me that isnt just a little bit confusing.
You asked how having an imaginary world inside an imaginary world is any different from Inception. Its because in Inception the dream sequences werent imaginary, the characters were actually inside the dreams. The scenes inside the dreams actually happened, you didnt find out in the end that it was all made up by some crazy chick.
Of course the dreams in Inception looked like the real world. Thats how dreams look. Have you honestly ever had a dream that looked like what happened in Sucker Punch? I bet you havent, but i bet you have had some kind of daydream where you thought about something along those lines. That's the difference, one is a fantasy, the other is a dream. Completely different things.
Here's another difference between the movies. In Inception, them going into the dreams was part of the plot. They needed to go into the dreams and into more dreams and everything and it was explained why. That was the whole point of the movie. In Sucker Punch the only reason we're given as to why she goes into the fantasy worlds is because she needs to cope with what happened to her and you only get that explanation at the end of the movie. Also even that explanation is pretty thin. I get that she created a fake world to deal with her problems but why did she need to create another fake world (to further deal apparently) whenever she danced in the first fake world? Was the dancing just that traumatizing? It makes no sense, even for a disturbed person to have that kind of thought process and my head now hurts from writing all this.
Here's another difference. Both movies had cool visuals but Inception's actually went with the story and made sense but there was no reason for Sucker Punch's cool visuals except to wow the audience and try to get people to go see the movie. It had nothing to do with the plot.
You said Sucker Punch was more in your face, well Inception wasnt trying to be in your face. It was trying to be an entertaining movie with a clever story while Sucker Punch just tried to wow the audience and have cool visuals without a good story. There's nothing creative or interesting about a movie that just tries to make money by having lots of explosions and fight scenes that have nothing to do with the plot.
But at least we agree about the bus driver.