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Originally Posted by siorai
Out of curiosity, just what did you think the "wicked smaht" message was in Martyrs? I ask because I found that the plotline felt weak and was basically a poorly thought out excuse for a quintessential torture porn flick and nothing more. For that reason I do say that Martyrs sucked. It had the potential to not suck. It could have been a supremely disturbing movie (that's not to say it's not disturbing of course), but the vehicle for the violence just does not work at all if you know what a martyr actually is. Maybe there's another way to look at this movie that I'm just not seeing.
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Well questions for
you: What is your definition of "martyr," how does it differ from that of the film, and why does it destroy the plotline for you?
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I really liked (well I'm not sure if "liked" is the right word) the concept of creating Martyrs. I found it incredibly eerie and disturbing.
I think that the question you bring up is really
Does the end justify the means? I'm honestly not sure, but mostly because I honestly detest torture flicks - Just can't watch 'em. But, regardless, I thought that the premise was
interesting (I use the term "interesting" carefully here because I can't necessarily say, "WOW THE PLOT WAS AWESOME WHAT A REVEAL" - I just thought that it was a different way to show the horrors of the religious zealot). There's more going on here than just a torture movie - You have this concept of literally
manufacturing martyrs - Something that we see today with suicide bombers and the like... And the ultimate message? There is no Redemption for those who create martyrdom.
That, to me, made the movie "smarter" (or
smahter if you're from Boston) than the average torture flick.
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Originally Posted by fuglystick
+1
Different strokes and all, but it really didn't work for me.
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Which "it" are you referring to? The plot (e.g. Creating Martyrs), the movie in general, or both?
It's interesting to see how people are responding to the "reveal" - I found it interesting, but it seems here that people are finding it contrived.