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Old 12-22-2008, 11:53 PM
Phalanx Phalanx is offline
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I don't really want to try and make the situation worse, but I'll say what I've got to, and nb: I'll try not to come across as condescending or insulting about it...

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Get mad at me because I do not approve of an illegal substance that may not be as destructive as others, but still a drug nonetheless.
I don't think anyone's really mad at you...I've seen you called biased a few times, I've seen some people come in and say that from a first person perspective they disagree with you, and I've seen some people say that you seem to be going largely off what you've personally experienced through friends...again, I don't think anyone's mad at you...that said, it's a natural response to disagree with someone who is saying things that are incorrect when you know it's not factual, or if there's a different perspective, you will hear it, no?
Re - the legal issue, in all honesty it's not really a leg to stand on, I've been down this path too many times to again...just to make a short point - the reasons it's classed as illegal are pretty stupid if you look into them, and furthermore comparative repercussions of this substance vs others, always shine favourably.
That I use it doesn't mean I don't respect the law...in all other cases I do just that, only cannot get behind this particular prohibition.

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Did I say that people that smoke weed are trashy? Though a lot of people I know are... No, I said that IMO the drug itself, I find trashy.
That's kind of like saying "the glass is trashy" "the chair is trashy", no? Because without the interaction of people, that's all it is, an inanimate object...it's not like it's fluro green or wearing flares...?
So, look I get that you might not have said that directly, but I'm sure you can see why people might've at very least assumed it was a reference towards them.

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I still see it as a problem more so than a rad recreation or means of leisure. Weed may not be as dirty or dangerous as other drugs but still leads people down that path of exploration.
Again, two things that are legal are far bigger "gateway" drugs in my experience...I mean, again I'm falling back to the "weed vs" thing, but I think in this particular point is where it stands to the most reason.
Shit, drinking a soda is a gateway drug - people that call weed that, just don't like weed, or cannot moderate themselves hence judging everyone by their own experiences.

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No but it CAN lead people down that path. What do you do when your area is dry and there is no weed? hmm...Find something else maybe?
This again sounds like a "your friends" thing.
My answer is, I go without until next time...I'm not into substance substitution, in fact most folks I know that have had weed aside from a few fuckwits, are pretty much against taking it any further than that.

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alcohol is legal and you cannot deny that weed stinks like ass. Or maybe you are used to the stench? How do you think people get busted for it 90% of the time? The smell? Red eyes? Tiredness?
Alcohol is legal, where weed is not on account of some (again should you care to look into it) pretty silly reasons.
The smell, well we vapourise so that's largely eradicated. It stinks if you're mixing with tobacco (most do, we don't), or if you're a lazy shit that has dirty bongs and pipes lying allover the place, multiple people using your place as a weed joint, again, all something that's within the control of the user to handle.
Burning weed, smells...but I can't personally say that a pure green joint burning is that bad a smell at all, hell I prefer it waaay more than the smell of someone lighting up a taylor made cigarette anywhere near me.
Getting busted - have never been.
Red eyes, manageable.
Tiredness, over indulgence.
People that get stupid, get busted...those ones that you're not drawing a line between themselves and people like myself...the "problem" smokers, the people that do it all day, the people that make it their life, hang in groups and think it's a good idea to hang sbout smoking with multiple people to the point it's completely obvious. People that do nothing but talk about weed.
Again, these people, are like our "alcoholics". There is a difference.

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I'm uneducated because I think weed is gross? I don't care wtf people do to deal with their problems and you didn't need to write me a mini novel about why people do drugs. I really don't care why they do it.
Yeah, I'd have not really went with "uneducated" as you at least know partially what you're talking about - but you are very biased, which borders more on general ignorance. Not trying to be insulting there, but your experience is just that. Yours.

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Why did you start smoking it? And why not find use of another legal substance that has the same effects?
I started as a teen, getting high with friends...it was there, and I didn't perceive it as too dangerous, as it turned out that was correct in my case. Never really did it "all the time" never really got into it.
I'm a more regular user now.
Why?
It relaxes me, it gives me great healthier sleep (and no, I don't oversleep), in times past it's stimulated my creativity greatly and I've come up with some very good recipes and ideas while under the influence...this is of course as it does change your perception and the way you see things a little.
Also, I find it can actually help you focus on various tasks too.

Why not find a legal equivalent?
So the closest most people will see, ignoring suggestions of some kind've chemical substitute, would be alcohol.
I've been arrested and have had multiple problems with this substance in the past...has made me do/consider way many more stupid things than weed ever has, that could be just me, but from my outside "perspective" on drinkers I sincerely doubt it's only me, and doubt that "me on alcohol" was anything other than the tip of the iceberg for this.
Besides, I don't really think anything I've tried DOES have the same effect...it's a mellow effect which is not overwhelming - I can't say this in the case of most other things I've ever encountered.

Anyways, not going for argument, just providing information you've missed - If you're going to come back at me with nothing but attitude, don't. I haven't attacked you and expect the same.
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Last edited by Phalanx; 12-22-2008 at 11:57 PM.
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