I take it the two were mine. I got them off a website. Shame about not being able to write it.
As for veal, I'm not sure about America, but recently in Euroe laws changed and now Veal is merely Calf meat. Not white calf meat, not lived in the dark calf meat but ordinary, red, calf meat. Similar idea to lamb.
That's the only reason I tried it in Tenerife. I was surprised at how much I liked it...
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The Ferrets like it...
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