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Originally Posted by urgeok2
1) did you read the post ?
2) how old are you ?
i made a statemement based on 47 years of observation..
do you think i'm championing this ?
it isnt something i like - its something that bothers me ...
i'm assuming you are in your teens or early 20's - in which case you'd be thinking the same thing i was when i was your age - a lot of the things i've observed weren't noticeable to me until not long ago.
if i live in a bubble - it's a pretty big one ...
it's nice that you have a positive outlook ... I am personally doing my best - raising my child to be atypical of this bullshit but i have to say that if you arent able to see what i'm talking about - you're the one in a bubble - albiet a bubble of youth and the limited experience as a result. thats not an insult - its just a reality.
where is the hate coming from ? did you read the post ? i think i explained what i thought were some valid possibilities.
also - as i said above - men dont show this side to women (well except for abused women - but we know that hardly ever happens in this day and age - right ?) because it doesnt serve their purposes now does it.
but many men speak more freely around other men and trust me - the respect isnt there for most of them. far from it.
before i made the post - it's been something i've been discussing with my friends - and believe me - they get it - as do several of the (i'm assuming older) people who responded to the thread before you did.
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Yes. I read the post.
I'm actually 27. I don't know if that still qualifies me for the "young naive bubble" or not. I remember this subject coming up in my sociology class when I was in college back in the early part of this decade.
I know there is a group out there (college fraternity/sororitity types are a good example) that only has very gender specific interests and roles. These types typically stay with their own gender because they believe that only these people have any interest to them and therefore possibly the only ones deserving respect. Apparently, these types of people are the ones that you work with and for that I am sorry.
As for the whole wife-beater scenario, I think that is more a dominance thing than a male/female thing, and that these men beat women because they are perceived as weak. I think they would also beat a man if they were being perceived as such. Rape again falls under that whole power trip thing.
Now there is a another group beyond this gender specific group that blurs the lines on gender roles where both men and women have interests in both stereotypical male/female roles. This is the group that usually doesn't only associate with their gender, but with the opposite sex as well. I do not believe that this group is in the minority.
Maybe this is a generational thing as my peers were all born after the women's liberation movement. My personal interests also expand both stereotypical gender roles, so maybe I'm projecting my personal experience on not living within a gender specific role. Regardless, I do believe that gender roles are changing and the traditional stereotypes are no longer the norm.