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Geez, I skip from page 1 to the end of the thread and suddenly it goes from talking about abortions to talking about war.
Anywho, personally, if I were in the position, I wouldn't get an abortion. Doesn't mean someone else should. I'm not saying "Oops, damn, I didn't pull out in time. Hang on, smoochy-poo, lemme get the coat hanger" is okay, because it's not. I do not condone anybody using "smoochy-poo" as a pet name in the non-ironic sense. But if someone uses every precaution, uses a condom or a diaphragm or the pill or even gets a vasectomy, and the decision is made to get an abortion, and they're prepaired to deal with the moral issues during and after the act, then I don't see why other people should tell them they can't. Yeah, you can't get pregnant if you don't have sex, and I'll ignore the rape/incest hypotheticals for now, but if someone doesn't want to ever have kids, they should, what, never have sex ever? Just hire prostitutes? Saying "You know you could get pregnant by having sex, you should've kept it in your pants" when they made an effort to not have kids isn't fair. People who skydive know the risks, but they're not jumping out of the plan without a parachute.
And yes, the fetus has no say. But that's only because it has no say. It's a fetus. For the first while it doesn't have lungs or a spinal cord. Now, I don't remember much from biology class, but I remember that humans are mammalian, and mammals are defined by, among other things, lungs and spinal cords. No, you don't have a fish in your womb. Nobody said you did, that's a stupid argument. You have a fetus in there. It's not a self-sustaining life form, it's closer biologically to a parasitic life form. If you don't want to get rid of it, bully for you, don't. I wouldn't either. But that's no reason to make a law about it.
I think as far as the abortion/death penalty thing, I'm the exact opposite of Rayne. Well, I'm for the death penalty in principle. What they did to their victems should be done to them. But the judicial system is not flawless, innocent people are put in jail more often than I'm comfortable with, and I don't have enough faith in the legal system to support it putting people to death.
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