[nightbreed]

i like manson, though i can agree whole heartedly that his earlier shit is better. i like his new stuff too. but really the old stuff is the best.

as far as a gimmick. i dont think he is at all. hes been doin the same shit since day one when they werent shit but a local florida band. the whole concept of the band is to stirr shit up. look at the names. all model and a serial killers. the concept of the definition of beauty and horror is a central theme of the band, as is controversy. it always has been.

while i was sad to hear of ramirez's departure from the band i was excitied to see that tim skold had joined the line up (though im sure arioch might be the only other person here who knows skolds work).

the bottom line here is that if you dont like his music/imagery thats fine. everyone has their own tastes. but saying the whole thing is a gimmick is just plain ignorant, seeing that most of the fools saying this are about as familiar with his body of work as i am aerophysics.