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The connection between oneself and everything else is, like science, decision and mathematics... cause and effect - your attempts to pin spiritual and even magical connotations to these is of course fanciful and groundless. Unfounded stories of divinity or unearthly revelation may have had strong influence in ancient folklore, but they remain fables to dress up and disguise physics and simple human sense and decency - appealing only to the weak and deluded unwilling to take responsibility for their own actions and effect they might have on the earth.
Marxism, Socialism and Democracy are policital movements based upon credible observations of reality and not a reasonable comparision with the idea of creationism, pentangles and magic beads. However the herding, repressing and filtering of individual natural thought and constant search for 'meaning' (and tremendous fear of it) could be considered religion's dictatorship.
Reprise: nobody needs religion - all its positive actions and inspiration can be achieved without it, though experience and ambition. It is not a sentient thing, so of course it cannot rape and murder by itself either. I've already stated that a violent film created as fictional art and entertainment cannot carry the can for violent acts as religion - created so profoundly as a fact and a way of life - so repeatedly does. If such a disproportionate amount of people begin bloody wars through an interpretation of Zombie Creeping Flesh the matter might have to be looked at again.
I'm sure you and your friend are quite intelligent Haunted, but you really need to get to the core of the debate and address the fundamental issues of logic being against the idea of religion that I have put to you. It is classic behaviour of the affected spiritual to dance around proclaiming that 'you know nothing', while providing absolutely nothing of any substance to convince anybody otherwise that what it is we do not know is worth much more than a contemptuous glance.
P.S. Loved the 'leaving the conversation' U-turn!
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