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Originally posted by Stingy Jack
I have yet to hear the announcement: "Astronomers have discovered the truth behind the formation of the moon."
As far as us not being able to change our destiny because God already knows our future ... well, that's simple. Of course, we're talking about God, here, and I don't claim to understand the nature of something that doesn't exist, but I am working from a few assumptions about God's knowledge: 1) It is divine and perfect. What God knows to happen, WILL happen. It will not change. 2) If God told us what will happen, it will still not change. And I know God doesn't leave messages for us in fortune cookies. That was an hypothetical situation employed to show how we do not control our own fates (no free will). This idea is more dramatically shown in the case where "what if we KNOW our fate?" It doesn't matter. Still can't change it. Whether or know your fate or not does not change the idea that you cannot choose your own destiny. If you COULD change it, then that would mean that a) God's knowledge is not perfect. He didn't really know what your fate was to begin with, or b) he lied to you when he told you what your future held. But I was assuming that his knowledge IS perfect, and that he never lies.
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well lets see. the way you spoke about theformation of themoon it indicated you DID know how it formed. and lets see.....what else o yes, you claim god doesnt excist, yet you then go on to talk about gods knowledge. and no you haven't explained how by someone knowing what someone isgoingto do is taking away there free will to do what ever they chose to do. "if god told us wha twill happen"? wtf do you mean? why all the if's? the thing is god hasn't told us whats going to happen. and if he did HOW do you know we can't change it? you talk in absolutes about a subject where there can be no absolutes. you're trying to make the rules or laws up as you go along! You say that " If you COULD change it, then that would mean that a) God's knowledge is not perfect. He didn't really know what your fate was to begin with, or b) he lied to you when he told you what your future held. " you see, he didn't tell me what my future held so again your argyment is redundant. i'm sure you're used to that aren't you? all you need to do is to stop talking about hypothetical's as if they were fact. you contradict yourself so many time it has stopped being funny