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Old 06-30-2004, 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by Stingy Jack
You say: "I have free will. Just because God knows the choices I will make, does not mean I still do not have the choice. Choice = free will."

I say: "You don't have free will. Because god knows the choices you will make, they aren't really choices at all ... you just think they are."

And I'm afraid we may have to leave it at that.
I say: We do have free will because we get to make our own decisions. God knows what we will choose because he can see all of time at once.

You say: Because God can see all of time at once and thereby knows our decisions, we really have no control over them and thereby, we have no free will, only a predestined course of actions.

I say: Just because God knows what we will choose doesn't make the decisions any less our own. He can just see the future as the present and is aware of what we will decide.

You say: If he knows what we will decide, then there is no free will.

I say: It's still free will because the decisions we make belong to us. He just sees the end result.

But, you're right, we should leave it at that. We could go around in circles all night pondering the mysteries of the universe, but I'm tired.

Last edited by bwind22; 06-30-2004 at 02:04 AM.
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