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Old 06-30-2004, 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by Stingy Jack
Okay, I read Bwind's post. I still say the same thing. God doesn't have to control you to take away your free will. He simply needs to know what you are going to do. Bwind typed the letter "Z". What if god told him beforehand that he was going to type the letter "Z". He wouldn't be able to stop it. He would HAVE to type the letter "Z"! But, God didn't control him. He just told him what he was going to do. Because god knows what he will do, he has no choice but to do what is in god's mind. No choice = no free will. He THOUGHT he had free will to type the letter "Z". But that was just an illusion. He was destined to type the letter "Z" since the day he was born. He could not have changed that.
The thing is that God didn't tell me to. I didn't talk to him tonight. I picked what letter to type. Just because he knew what letter I would pick doesn't mean he influenced my decision in any way, he simply knew what I would choose with my free will.

God does know who will end up in heaven and who will end up in hell, because like I said, to him there is no time. The day when you die and go to heaven or hell will seem like/actually be this exact second to God because, once again, we come back to the omnipotent being having no sense of time. He sees all of time at once, from beginning to end. That is how he knows what we will decide and where we will end up.

The choice is ours, he just knows what we'll pick.
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