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fattybluetit 06-29-2004 03:59 AM

what do u think god or satan looks like
 
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Stingy Jack 06-29-2004 04:07 AM

IF god or satan exist (which they don't, I'm just being hypothetical), I doubt that they would have any definite physical properties.

Gravegirl666 06-29-2004 04:09 AM

satan looks like.....Jake Gyllenhall *daydreams* and god looks like...james earl jones

MrShape 06-29-2004 04:22 AM

Maybe like this.

friday13thfan 06-29-2004 05:22 AM

they have no shape they can look how ever they want

Vodstok 06-29-2004 05:31 AM

God:
http://www.csps.minx.co.uk/epiimgs/411/god1.gif

Satan:
http://slashinter.net/si/b/03/0304171203.jpg

carnage 06-29-2004 05:31 AM

Ray Charles is GOD.

If God is love, and love is blind, then Ray Charles is god.

Martha Stewart IS Satan....

Vodstok 06-29-2004 05:33 AM

What do you mean "Looks Like"?

carnage 06-29-2004 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vodstok
What do you mean "Looks Like"?
LMAO...good point....will change that

friday13thfan 06-29-2004 05:43 AM

ok if they do look like something and i mean if.

god= jacke chan

satan= michael jackson

ShankS 06-29-2004 07:23 AM

cant satan take on any form?

Vodstok 06-29-2004 07:32 AM

Any form but cabbage. I'm not sure why.....

orangestar 06-29-2004 07:32 AM

non-existant I suppose.

but If I have to choose than I agree with Vod's first post.

Vodstok 06-29-2004 07:34 AM

Life is so much more fun and interesting if the battle between good and evil is fought by cartoon characters.

I think it is symbolic of religion in general :)

orangestar 06-29-2004 08:00 AM

aahhh feel the symbolism.:o

Stingy Jack 06-29-2004 08:04 AM

I think the battle of religion should be fought with squirt cheese. Squirt cheese being squirted by guys in those hats with the super long feather bobbing behind it.

friday13thfan 06-29-2004 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ShankS
cant satan take on any form?
yes

bwind22 06-29-2004 08:38 AM

I believe that both God and Satan could take on any form they wanted. God is omnipotent, which means his power is completely limitless. Satan is a fallen angel, and while not quite omnipotent, he certainly could take on any form he wanted too.

On a related note...


Here is the answer to the age old addage of...

'Could God make a rock so heavy that he couldn't lift it?'

The answer is 'If he wanted to.'

Stingy Jack 06-29-2004 08:42 AM

Nah, that's not a good answer. There really IS no answer to that question ... it was formulated to show the logical contradiction inherent in the idea of a being possessing omnipotence. If God wanted to create a rock so large he couldn't lift it, then it shows that he is limited in his power ... by the fact that he would be unable to lift the rock.

bwind22 06-29-2004 08:48 AM

Without turning this into a religious debate on the existance of God, I respectfully disagree.

Stingy Jack 06-29-2004 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bwind22
Without turning this into a religious debate on the existance of God, I respectfully disagree.
Ok.

Egekrusher 06-29-2004 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stingy Jack
IF god or satan exist (which they don't, I'm just being hypothetical), I doubt that they would have any definite physical properties.
Exactly.

Egekrusher 06-29-2004 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bwind22
Without turning this into a religious debate on the existance of God, I respectfully disagree.
But that makes no sense at all. He is omnipotent. He can do anything, which means that it would be completely impossible to create a rock that he couldn't lift. Unless he didn't WANT to lift the rock, then that would be a case of not wanting to, instead of not being able to.

bwind22 06-29-2004 09:35 AM

That's basically what it's saying.

'Could God make a rock so heavy he couldn't lift it?'
'If he wanted to.'

He could make a very heavy rock. (One so heavy that no one on Earth could ever lift it.) But if he wanted to, he could lift it. If he wanted to make it too heavy for himself to lift, he could do that too. He's God, he can do whatever wants, including bending the rules a bit.

It kind of boils down to this....


Q: Could God make a rock so heavy that he couldn't lift it?
A: Yes.

Q: Could God lift that same rock a millisecond later if he wanted to?
A: Yes.

Being omnipotent, he could do whatever he wanted to do with the rock.

bwind22 06-29-2004 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Egekrusher
But that makes no sense at all. He is omnipotent. He can do anything, which means that it would be completely impossible to create a rock that he couldn't lift. Unless he didn't WANT to lift the rock, then that would be a case of not wanting to, instead of not being able to.
That's why the answer to the question is....

Quote:

Originally posted by bwind22
The answer is 'If he wanted to.'

Vodstok 06-29-2004 09:38 AM

Omnipotence does not grant the ability to make contradictions not contradict.

Even being "All Powerful" has to have some limits. If we say that there are no absolues, at all, then we cant know anything. and if we cant knowanything, then we cant know that god is omnipotent.

Which kind of kills the whole discussion.

bwind22 06-29-2004 09:52 AM

In my opinion, it is egotistical to assume that there is no being greater than us.

Most people believe in either 'creation' or 'evolution' via the big bang.

Those that believe in 'creation' have it simple. They are willing to accept/believe that there is a God and that God created them.

Those that believe in 'evolution' don't believe that. They believe that life started on Earth due to a cosmic occurance ('The Big Bang') that led to microscopic forms of life forming in the oceans. After millions of years, here we are.

Let me pose these questions to the 'evolution' people...

"Where did Earth come from?"
(I mean before 'the big bang', where did our planet come from?)

"What created the 'Bang'?"
(If you don't know, just say what you believe.)

"Do you really believe that the existence of life on this entire planet (from the blades of grass, to the microscopic organisms in the sea, to the dinosaurs, to you), as well as the existence of this planet itself, is all one big biological accident?"

(If you really do think that, then I feel sorry for you. How depressing it must be to have that outlook on things.)

Vampenguin 06-29-2004 09:56 AM

Wheres Zodiac when ya need him.....this convo needs to be killed.

meetthecreeper 06-29-2004 10:04 AM

God, at least one of them anyway

meetthecreeper 06-29-2004 10:05 AM

Satan

Vodstok 06-29-2004 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bwind22
In my opinion, it is egotistical to assume that there is no being greater than us.

Most people believe in either 'creation' or 'evolution' via the big bang.

Those that believe in 'creation' have it simple. They are willing to accept/believe that there is a God and that God created them.

Those that believe in 'evolution' don't believe that. They believe that life started on Earth due to a cosmic occurance ('The Big Bang') that led to microscopic forms of life forming in the oceans. After millions of years, here we are.

Let me pose these questions to the 'evolution' people...

"Where did Earth come from?"
(I mean before 'the big bang', where did our planet come from?)

"What created the 'Bang'?"
(If you don't know, just say what you believe.)

"Do you really believe that the existence of life on this entire planet (from the blades of grass, to the microscopic organisms in the sea, to the dinosaurs, to you), as well as the existence of this planet itself, is all one big biological accident?"

(If you really do think that, then I feel sorry for you. How depressing it must be to have that outlook on things.)

No one knows, egotism comes in thinking that, without proof, you have the answer. (read: God)

We are closer than ever to finding out what caused the "Bang". Current scientific understanding seems to indicate that there was, in fact, something before the bang. If it is so hard to comprehend all matter always having been here, how is the concept of an eternal being so much easier to believe?

Our viewpoint is not depressing, just different. I, personally, find it depressing that people will simply accept what is told to them without looking for the answers themselves. if you dont take the bible, koran, or whatever religious text as pure gospel "this is how it happened", then i applaud your open-mindedness. If you think what is written is how it happened, i have some oceanside property in Arizona i would like to sell you.

bwind22 06-29-2004 10:08 AM

I notice you didn't answer a single one of the questions I posed...

Egekrusher 06-29-2004 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bwind22
In my opinion, it is egotistical to assume that there is no being greater than us.

Most people believe in either 'creation' or 'evolution' via the big bang.

Those that believe in 'creation' have it simple. They are willing to accept/believe that there is a God and that God created them.

Those that believe in 'evolution' don't believe that. They believe that life started on Earth due to a cosmic occurance ('The Big Bang') that led to microscopic forms of life forming in the oceans. After millions of years, here we are.

Let me pose these questions to the 'evolution' people...

"Where did Earth come from?"
(I mean before 'the big bang', where did our planet come from?)

"What created the 'Bang'?"
(If you don't know, just say what you believe.)

"Do you really believe that the existence of life on this entire planet (from the blades of grass, to the microscopic organisms in the sea, to the dinosaurs, to you), as well as the existence of this planet itself, is all one big biological accident?"

(If you really do think that, then I feel sorry for you. How depressing it must be to have that outlook on things.)

The first two questions are the same. The earth is a by-product of the big bang.

The big bang was caused by a concentration of gravity at one center point (at the time, the only point) that attracted all the matter around it. This matter was basically just energy in all of it's forms. This turned the mass into a giant star, bigger than is humanly imaginable. When the star reached critical mass, it exploded because it couldn't stand it's own gravitational forces.

I do believe that there are much greater beings out there than us. However, that does not make them "Gods". To think that such a highly advanced being would even want to associate with savages such as us is the egotistical part, let alone help us/create such flawed beings.

Edit: Oops, I forgot the last part too.
Yes, life is one big accident. Sometimes I feel like nothing but a big fucking chimp that can use tools and talk.

Vodstok 06-29-2004 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bwind22
I notice you didn't answer a single one of the questions I posed...
Actually, i answered them in detail. if you dont happen to like the answers, just say so and move on.

"Where did Earth come from?"
No one knows

"What created the 'Bang'?"
We are closer than ever to finding out what caused the "Bang". Current scientific understanding seems to indicate that there was, in fact, something before the bang. (A more wordy "No one knows")

And, I apologise, i did forget to answer the last one:

Yes, it is an accident. oops.

Sorry if i come off a little pissy. I am not presenting any of this a absolute fact, just my world view, which, like yours, is shared by many others.

bwind22 06-29-2004 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vodstok
No one knows, egotism comes in thinking that, without proof, you have the answer. (read: God)
You don't get actual 'proof', it's based on faith. I see proof every time I look outside. Or look in the mirror. Or look at someone else. We (as well as the entire world) wouldn't be here if we weren't created at some point in time.

Even if a 'bang' occured millions of years ago, what came before that? If you trace the roots of this arguement back to the source, you will inevitably reach a point where there was a being beyond human comprehension. Because before the 'bang', there must have been matter in the universe, otherwise there could have been no 'bang'. So, since there had to be matter, where'd it come from? You can call it whatever you want; God, Allah, Buddah, it doesn't really matter. You can even call it a cosmic spark. What it is, is a source of origin, the reason we are here.

Egekrusher 06-29-2004 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bwind22
You don't get actual 'proof', it's based on faith. I see proof every time I look outside. Or look in the mirror. Or look at someone else. We (as well as the entire world) wouldn't be here if we weren't created at some point in time.

Even if a 'bang' occured millions of years ago, what came before that? If you trace the roots of this arguement back to the source, you will inevitably reach a point where there was a being beyond human comprehension. Because before the 'bang', there must have been matter in the universe, otherwise there could have been no 'bang'. So, since there had to be matter, where'd it come from? You can call it whatever you want; God, Allah, Buddah, it doesn't really matter. You can even call it a cosmic spark. What it is, is a source of origin, the reason we are here.

What if there is no beginning? What if there has always been matter and life, and always will be?

bwind22 06-29-2004 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Egekrusher
The first two questions are the same. The earth is a by-product of the big bang.

The big bang was caused by a concentration of gravity at one center point (at the time, the only point) that attracted all the matter around it. This matter was basically just energy in all of it's forms. This turned the mass into a giant star, bigger than is humanly imaginable. When the star reached critical mass, it exploded because it couldn't stand it's own gravitational forces.

I do believe that there are much greater beings out there than us. However, that does not make them "Gods". To think that such a highly advanced being would even want to associate with savages such as us is the egotistical part, let alone help us/create such flawed beings.

Edit: Oops, I forgot the last part too.
Yes, life is one big accident. Sometimes I feel like nothing but a big fucking chimp that can use tools and talk.

Who created that mass that turned into the star?

I can see why you are depressed with an outlook like that.

Egekrusher 06-29-2004 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bwind22
You don't get actual 'proof', it's based on faith. I see proof every time I look outside. Or look in the mirror. Or look at someone else. We (as well as the entire world) wouldn't be here if we weren't created at some point in time.

Even if a 'bang' occured millions of years ago, what came before that? If you trace the roots of this arguement back to the source, you will inevitably reach a point where there was a being beyond human comprehension. Because before the 'bang', there must have been matter in the universe, otherwise there could have been no 'bang'. So, since there had to be matter, where'd it come from? You can call it whatever you want; God, Allah, Buddah, it doesn't really matter. You can even call it a cosmic spark. What it is, is a source of origin, the reason we are here.

Edit: doh.

bwind22 06-29-2004 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Egekrusher
What if there is no beginning? What if there has always been matter and life, and always will be?
Well, what created the spark that set off the big bang then?

Egekrusher 06-29-2004 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bwind22
Who created that mass that turned into the star?

I can see why you are depressed with an outlook like that.

No one did. What if it has always just been there?


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