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Most Pretentious Directors
These are the five directors (who have all at least dabbled in horror films) I think have the worst track record for making pretentious films:
Ingmar Bergman (Hour Of The Wolf) Federico Fellini (Fellini Satyricon) David Lynch (Eraserhead) Kiyoshi Kurosawa (Cure, Pulse) and the absolute worst offender: Peter Greenaway (The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, And Her Lover) Any others? |
Wes Anderson
As for your list...no. Just no. |
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Pretentious directors according to me - M Night Shyamalan, Paul W S Anderson, Michael Bay, Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, Barry Sonnenfeld, Cameron Crowe, Steven Soderbergh, Woody Allen, Timur Bekmambetov. Treading on the line - James Cameron, Tim Burton, Darren Aronofsky. |
It is precisely this kind of negativity coming from "fans" that I despise and keeps me away from this site.
Making a film is hard work. Even a bad film requires a ton of hard work. I should know, I've made several very bad films. Making a good film is extraordinarily difficult and crafting a film that stands the test of time is close to a miraculous event. Before you call these master crafstmen pretentious, try making a feature film. What's that? You can't? You don't have the skill or talent or perseverance? Yeah, that's what I thought. The saying used to be "those who cannot, teach" but it seems far more appropriate to say "those who cannot, criticize." Becasue a critic is someone too lazy or too untalented or simply too fearful to actually create that which they take such delight in destroying. I come here to share my love for films. I think it's time to leave for good. |
Let's makea list of the most pretentious posters!
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Not like any of those I listed haven't made any superb films I don't appreciate. Heck, Spielberg's Jaws & Schindler's List are two of my most faves of all-time. I love most of em and their works, whether they are pretentious or not. |
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As far I understand we have an annual award activity here that's always been done in a very democratic way....what we can do best is there's a certain type of category & you can be nominated, just wait & see what happens. |
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I guess I'll stick with less controversial subjects. |
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I nominate you! :p kidding, kidding. |
No, no- I would definitely be a top contender!
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I feel that a title such as "pretentious" especially with film making isn't really something that can be handed out unless you pay close attention to the person. Just because someone made an artistic movie, or something along those lines doesn't make them pretentious, or at least that is how I feel about it. I have always felt someone like Stanley Kubrick was pretentious for how he treated everyone else and how he acted on set. I've never heard of so many incidents from one director, but I guess to each his own, in whatever way that might form in this thread.
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Looking up Webster's definition of the word pretentious, I see I'm not using it correctly; I apologize. When I said pretentious, I didn't mean that these directors were arrogant or ostentatious. What I meant was, their films tend to be full of incomprehensible symbolism, a non-linear plot, and extremely slow pacing. Don't get me wrong; there are some films of this type that I do enjoy, just not these. |
Whether or not symbolism in a particular film is incomprehensible or not, depends on the viewer, so let's just use the term symbolism. Symbolism, non-linear plots and slow pacing are all things that intrigue me. I enjoy films that challenge me and ask more from me as a viewer than just staring slack jawed at a screen full of fast action, explosions, and superficial plots.
Yes, I'm exaggerating to make a point. I do enjoy all your "pretentious" directors. Watching their films has enriched my life. And no- I will not explain the symbolism behind any film. |
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I always admire anyone who tries to do something different (these days, with all the remakes out there, it is desperately needed), but sometimes being different just isn't enough. P.S. I'll cut David Lynch some slack, but not the others. |
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People who produce movies should expect criticism, whether it be constructive or not. When you put yourself in the limelight, that's what happens. Besides, didn't you WANT people to see it? Plus, arguably it's criticism that people use to build future products on. Not to mention, this is just OPINION. And everyone has a right to their opinion. There's no way that everyone is going to LOVE every movie that comes out, and that's OK. It's disputing opinions that make up a discussion and make up a forum. Quote:
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You mean consolation, not constellation. :D
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No - Constellations! Star-shaped trophies! ;) |
I'm sensing a theme in a couple of threads today, and that theme is "Let me educate you Neanderthals."
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Well, I'll give one thing to Wicker- he's sparked some discussion in a forum besides the General forum.
That's a good thing. |
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And by the way neverending, I'm a woman. |
I wouldn't really want to single out any specific directors, but I'd say there's a certain degree of pretentiousness (is that a word?) to the whole process. You're making something that you believe deserves to find an audiance and that has the power to evoke emotional responses. The fact that a director might say "We're just trying to make a cool movie that people will enjoy" instead of "This movie has the power to change the world" doesn't really make all that much difference. Some directors are incredibly pretentious, some a little less so. I don't think its just a case of being 'arty' that defines a pretentious film or director. Usually though, if a director deviates to far from the norm s/he's going to be called pretentious, self indulgent and arrogant when probably the reality is most directors have a little of that in them.
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Now things have cooled down:rolleyes: here is my list of pretentious directors
John Landis. Joe Dante. I just hate these Spielberg wanabees.:) |
Well duh, pretentious films attract us because we are, by nature, very pretentious? Aren't we all?
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I would say the whole Dogme 95 movment. the make such a big deal out of the fact that they are not being pretenious. But they are more pretentious with their rules (which they break themselfes when they feel it adds to the vision)
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