the beyond
 

i looked all over for a thread on this movie and couldn't find one. my first fulci film was zombie, while i did enjoy it i didn't think it was that great. so i decided to give fulci another chance with what many say is his best film (the beyond) i loved it!!!!!!!!!!! good movie everyone should check this out. i got it for 10 bucks at suncoast.

If you liked the beyound get city of the living dead:)

U might not of found specific thread on this movie but we have talked about this movie a fucking lot...... badass movie BTW

maybe even watch house by the cemetery

yeah this movie really changed my mind on how i felt about fulci's movie's. i did end up getting city of the living dead. i did enjoy it but not as much as the beyond. im going to pick up zombie 3 and house by the cemetary this weekend.

Skip Zombie 3 and get Zombie 1 instead... I think they call it Zombie 3 because that's how many minutes of it Fulci directed. It's a terrible film.

THE BEYOND is one of my favorites, just so whacked out you have to love it.

i just watched the beyond tonight.. its a classic zombie film..

i actually havnt seen it yet. ive also been meaning to get the New York Ripper.

The Beyonds a classic, can't say the same about New York Ripper though.....

NY Ripper I thought was better in one part how that hooker gotten her eyeball slice in half and her nipple. The Beyond wasn't that great only when that dog ripped that bitchs throat out. The spider secen where they killed that guy to much clay blood. :D I have Beyond on vhs. QUACK!! QUACK!! QUACK!! oh yea zombie wasn't that good ether.

wow, thats really nice.

remember back in the day when women werent generically referred to as bitches ?

lets get back to that ASAP.

:D They where Hookers in the film that he killed. If the woman is a hooker then she must be a bitch...Or a dirty bitch 9/10 she might have something. lol

The Beyond sucked

Why? The New York Ripper is easily one of the best films to come out of the horror genre. Sure its exploitative and confrontational but it pushed boundaries... something directors of this era are to scared to do.

....and to everyone ragging on the Beyond: I'd hate to think of what you'd say is a good horror film. The Beyond is a fucking amazing flick and Fulci is quite possibly one of the best directors ever to leave is mark on the genre.

@NECRO666: Fuck up.

And Then There Were None, Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, Dawn of the Dead,Evil Dead, The Exorcist, From Dusk Till Dawn ,Halloween, Kaïro, M, Night of the Hunter, Psycho, Seven, Wicker Man, Kwaidan, Last House on the Left, Rear Window, Shadow of the Vampire, 28 Days Later, Dark Water, Identity, The Shining, Suicide Circle, Audition, American Psycho, Cure, Demons, Funny Games, Ringu, Scream, Suspiria

I wouldn't call Rear Window, M, Night of The Hunter or Seven horror films. Dark Water was a terrible film.... boring as hell with no new ideas (I'd hate to see what the US version of the film has to offer). But yeh we're on different wave lengths when talking about horror looking at your list.

my tastes in horror movies, like any other type movies, vary. My only requirements are that the movie is either a) Well made, or b) entertaining. I've got no problem with a mindless gore-fest movie, even if it's shitty, as long as it's entertaining. The Beyond is an incoherent mess of a movie. I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it as I do if it wasn't made to seem all deep and artistic. I still wouldn't like it on the grounds that it's shitty and boring, but I wouldn't feel as strongly in my dislike. Though I'm still not going to insult people on the basis that their opinion of the movie differs from mine, as I've run into over this movie before.


BTW, I almost agree with you on Dark Water. It wasn't particularly inovative and difficult to watch, but it was well made within the confines of what it was (the acting and direction were good). As for the American re-make, I've actually heard from both American critics and "American remakes suck, go Japanese movies!!" types that the movie was really good.

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blasphemy! :eek:

don't care, I'll say it again: The Beyond sucked

....and you like Suspiria? What you just said describes Suspiria for me.

Suspiria had 2 things going for it: Jessica Harper and its look (direction, cinematography and art direction). Jessica Harper put in a good performance while surrounded by mediocre to bad actors, and the movie just looks really damn good. And the "dog kills the owner" scene in Suspiria was done far better than the similar scene in The Beyond


btw, something that pisses me off about Fulci: He has talent, and you'll never hear me say otherwise. But he NEVER USES IT! I get a glimpse here and there of his artistic abilities, mostly in Zombi 2, but he just puts out these shit movies.

Fulci had heaps of talent as far as I'm concerned. House By The Cemetery, The Beyond, City Of The Living Dead, Zombie and The New York Ripper are some of my favorite horror movies. I used to be a big Argento fiend but now I prefer Fulci's work for the elaberatley staged gore and Mario Bava for the staging and cinematography. Argento is average as hell for me after delving into these directors work. Don't get me wrong I still love his work but Bava and Fulci's flicks just do a lot more for me.

28 days later sucked.

Lets fight about it. :p

Ill admit that I can see why some people wouldn't like The Beyond.

what's fucked up? about those bitchs getting killed or me saying bitches. Hey if your a hooker then good chance your a bitch. Beyond I think is over-rated. alot of Fulci films I think there not that great, Fulci is so dam cheap he wouldn't spend some money to make his films a little better. they are some films that are cool somewhat but he was cheap and a Total asshole in real life. It just suck bc there are films that won't come out for rentel that we want to see.

What's really fucked up is a guy who can't type one coherent sentence and has an avatar with a weed leaf smoking a joint judging people as a whole and degrating women.

Yeh get 'em Angela! :D

You and your moronic posts are.

why?

It was caked in hokey CGI and fashionable low-fps, featured unappealing characters (atrocious acting from one of the lead women), but most damagingly reran the now shockingly familiar post-apocalyptic one about the survivors who meet up to battle the hordes of undead (or in this case infected nutters), tooling up and finding 'hope' along the way.

Danny Boyle's career and promise as a director after Shallow Grave and Trainspotting has taken a nosedive after A Life Less Ordinary, The Beach and now this.

28 Days had one of the lamest endings ever aswell.

I don't fault movies for using familiar synopses unless it's clear that they're doing so directly to cash in on trends. I didn't get that feeling with 28DL. Not only do I not fault it for using the post-apocalyptic motif, I give it points for putting an interesting plot point in in that England was quarantined. And I liked that the disease spread so quickly, so they could avoid characters trying to hide the fact that they'd been infected. And while I didn't really think the acting of the main female was great, Cilian Murphy, Chris Ecclestein, and Brendan Gleeson were very good.

I agree on the ending, it felt tacked on. So I just stop the movie when they hit the gate.


And as basic and familiar as the plot may have been, at least it was coherent

He didn't say ''fucked up'', he said ''fuck up'' as in shut the fuck up.

I'm glad someone understands me :D

I remember the alternate ending on the DVD was better they should've went with that one. Haven't watched it since it came out so my memories a bit foggy. I prefered the Dawn Of The Dead remake at the time. 28 Days didn't totally suck but it didn't impress me a hell of a lot. More of a thriller to me than a horror flick.

28 Days Later:-

As with several highly rated British horror productions, the problem is in the execution.

Another post-apocalyptic 'zombie' affair might be more palatable without the gloss that was applied here, but further comtempt is bred by generally lightweight acting and something difficult to pin down - best described as an all-to-obvious air of 'Britishness' about the whole thing, manifested through unnatural accents and a manipulative sense of 'wonder' as the Romero story is so 'cleverly' relocated across the Atlantic.

Add to that, the natural disdain for mainstream horror that we've all seen before through the underground indie circuit... 28 Days Later needed to take more risks, and lose much of the sheen.

So far as The Beyond goes, it is one of Fulci's best, most atmospheric films (which may not be much of an accolade to some) but many don't buy into his vision (naivete?) when it comes to narrative and would prefer films with the weight of disbelief a little lighter and a more coherent order.

Whatever, it has more heart and soul in its little finger than the whole of 28 Days Later.

i never had a need for order or coherency ..
i just didnt like the piecemeal student film feel to it ..

it had more in common with those later corman films where he'd chop a bunch of films together into one.

i admit, had i first seen it 20 years ago i probably would also be a champion of this film today - getting off on the cheap but entheusiastic gore effects - but having 1st seen it just 1 year ago (with huge expectations) i was dissapointed .. just found it foolish and inept. not lacking coherence - just laking sense.

wasnt looking to dislike it - was really looking forward to something nuts.


i did enjoy 28 days later though .. i liked the human side of it .. it was the part of the film i concentrated on and enjoyed

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Much like after the apocalypse, except for the occassional zombie the movie was empty and boring. It was like they had a great idea and thought they'd just see if the movie could ride on it, total failure imo.

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i thought the movie had a lot going for it ..

the drop in the eye (father /daughter)
the (not new) theme of the military turning martial law into martial unlawlessness (which is exactly how i picture it to be)

i liked the refreshing change from the shambling beatable zombie to a disease spreading killing frenzy ...

i thought it was a well directed, well acted film..

It's funny, as a teenager I wouldn't entertain what I saw as cheap, unsatisfying (even offensive) eurotrash when it came to Italian exploitation. I needed the reassurance of Hollywood's values, the certainty of where the stories were heading, the rush of excitement from hip and expensive American productions making us feel good about ourselves as the end credits roll.

Discovering the forbidden (in the UK at least) underground - and films like The Beyond - helped put Hollywood horror in perspective, and displayed how sterile and restrictive the genre had become in the 90s. That is not to say The Beyond and City of the Living Dead are championed solely for their low production values and anti-Hollywood elements, but Fulci's films do offer an alternative to the predictable tidyness of bigger budget cinema and - to their fans at least - their wild scripts are not unfathomable but rather braver representations of how aggressive and off the rails the horror film can get.

There's good incoherency and bad incoherency. For example:

Eraserhead: "What's the deal with the radiator? Why's the baby all lizardy? Who's that guy and why did he make a pencil eraser out of his head? Why is is hair like that?"
Good incoherency. Raises questions about possible symbolic or otherwise narritively challenging ideas or events. And hairstyle choices. I guess.


The Beyond: "Why the hell are spiders eating him all of a sudden? Why did that guy just hook a 50 year old corpse up to a brain monitor? If the incorporeal force of evil can just kill people whenever it wants, why doesn't it just do that with the main characters? Why are people going blind with no explanation and no relevance or connection to any sort of plot point?"
Bad incoherency. Raises questions about basic plot development and character motives. No discernable connection between most plot points.

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Every idea the movie had was great! The military, the disease, everything. I felt the movie lacked real guts, I couldn't care about anything that went on and I was just bored watching it.

I wouldn't put it up there with Psycho or The Shining but like a lot of horror movies I like that other people hate, it was entertaining.