Drug Legalization?
 

i figured since Rotting Eye decided to discuss some controversial issues i would ask a question of my own.


Are you for or against the legalization of drugs (all drugs not just marijuana)?

Lol, I was going to do this thread too actually, but I decided against it :P

Oh, forgot to mention my stance. I'm completely against the legalization of all drugs. Pot, in my opinion being one of the least harmful and least mind-altering drugs, still has a pretty good effect on your body. Makes you hallucinate, you can't think straight, etc etc.. If drugs were legalized we'd have even more problems then there already are. Think about how many high drivers there would be, and as far as I know there's no immediate breathalizer test like there is for alcohol, so cops really couldn't test accurately at the time of the pull-over.

And what is the intention of using drugs, and what do they do? They make you feel better, and they eventually fuck up your body completely. If they were legalized how many chronic users of everything would there be? A good majority of the population would be catatonic within the next 20 years, because a lot of people would just want to shoot up and feel good, thus ruining their mind and body.

There would be way too many consequences if anything were legalized. How many people use drugs illegally as it is? A lot.. Just imagine how many more it would be if they were legalized.

why? just curious. afraid the government will hunt you down?

No, I just figured three was enough as it is. :p

Looks like we agree on SOMETHING, anyway...:)

However, I also believe that alcohol, being just as addictive and dangerous as any other drug, if not more so...should also be illiegal...No one will agree with me on this one...That's fine, I'm not here to try to convert anyone...Only stating my opinion...

BTW...I am already aware of the many perils of prohibition, so we need not go there either:rolleyes: :)

I'm actually for the legalization of ALL drugs. If you read the Constitution of the United States, no where does it say the government has the right to tell you what you can and cannot put into your own body. Also I believe we've wasted far too much money, far too many lives and far too much time, fighting this supposed 'drug war'. If you look at the statistics, since drugs have been illegalized crime has increased, especially the homicide rate. this is almost an exact repeat of what happened when the government tried to prohibit alcohol in the 1920's -30's

Also a drugs usage isn't going to increase, just because you make it legal. You're not going to go and jump off the nearest bridge just because someone told you it's now legal to do are you?

that's just my 2 cents... i know i'm going to get some arguments

think about this

'what's gonna scare the drug dealers more..putting more cops on the street or making drugs legal and taking away their black market?"

take away the black market, the violent world of drug dealing goes away. and the government could tax the drugs, just like they tax cigarettes and alcohol.

The constitution does say that we have a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness...What if my happiness depended on the death of someone else?...Would I then be allowed to kill that person so that I could be happy?...

Our constitutional rights end where someone else's begin...Drugs don't only harm the person who is using them, if that were the case, I'd say give them all they want, and eventually there would be no more drug users, they would eliminate themselves...

The constitution has been twisted and taken out of context, almost as often as the bible...Maybe even more...Sometimes it's just a matter of common sense:rolleyes: :)

WOW... what kind of pot have you been smoking?!

Anyway... all drugs are "mind-altering" - that goes for caffeine just as much as heroin... the effects mearly vary in chemestry and intensity. In my humble opinion, drugs should be legal. I don't believe the government has any place telling people what they can and can't do when it comes to personal vices. Look at how many people are addicted to gambling... how many lives are destroyed by it. But it's legal. What about drugs like tobacco and alcohol? But you also have people who gamble responsibly... drink responsibly... All things are safe within moderation. Drugs destroy so many lives because the people taking them are uneducated, stupid, and completely lacking in will-power. I have personally witnessed the negative effects drugs have on people --- stealing, addiction, prison... But I've also seen people who are wise and use in moderation. It doesn't negatively affect them or their life in any way. ... Drugs can be very benificial, and they can be very dangerous. What to use and how to use them should be the choice and responsibility of the educated individual, not the government.

I agree with you that our Constitutional rights' end where someone else's begins. However I believe that i shouldn't be tossed into prison to serve a 'mandatory' sentence just because i happened to be in possession of marijuana.

I believe that if you give the government the power to ban one thing (drugs being the example in this case) that eventually they'll believe they should have the power to ban anything they believe could be a threat to oneself or others.

enough said

Legalize it. The people who don't want to take the drugs still won't, but people won't get arrested for possesion which will free up the prisons and all that.

Agreed I have seen too many of my friends do time for nothing less than a quarter oz. of pot. But yet people who commit domestic violence crimes and shit like that get off scott free. Mind boggling

Former abuser of drugs (mainly hallucinogens and alcohol) saw friends drown in heroin, very devastating. Pot should be legalized, it is not addictive but it should be controlled like it is in Holland.

Prohibition Didn't Work Then, So It Won't Work Now!!
 

Prohibition = Violence, High Homicide Rate, and Murderers, Rapists, Child Molesters free to roam the streets

Non-Prohibition = Safe Streets, Lower Crime Rates, and Enough Space in Prisons to put REAL CRIMINALS like Rapists, Child Molesters and Murderers!

We did this survey in class one day and I was the ONLY person for legalization of Marijuana.

First of all, I'm a pretty wholesome kid, my dads a cop, no one in my family drinks, does drugs, or smokes, so Im not going to be using pot myself. But come on people. Smoking cigarettes does more damage to your body than Pot! Legalizing pot would free up prisons, we could tax the sale, I think it would even make the demand go down a little bit because it isnt as "rebelious" anymore, so less teens will do it to piss their parents off. Obviouslt there should be laws against driving etc. under the influence, but IMO it should be just like cigarettes, if you want to do it, go ahead.

Exactly

DRUGS?? YES PLEASE!!

I agree with you.Alcohol is way more dangerous then weed.I mean think about it have you ever heard of a person under the influence of marijuana get behind the wheel of a car and kill someone??No if theres one thing that should be against the law it is alcohol.And to the person that said leagalize all drugs well your nutts.Even if you regulate drugs and leagalize it,its still going to cost money and im sorry to say this but if your so broke you have to kill somone for drugs then what makes you think they wont kill if it was regulated ,considering it will still cost money for them to obtain it??

Re: Prohibition Didn't Work Then, So It Won't Work Now!!
 

Really? Then IF we legalize drugs then the authorities would be to high to judge who the "REAL CRIMINALS" are. There goes your safe streets and lower crime rates...;)

I agree with Orangestar and Sam The Egg - if you can get it freely half the joy has gone already. But would people go one higher and start on something that IS still illegal just for the thrill and the kicks? People are gonna do drugs either way and you won't stop them, it should be like cigarettes, people need to be educated more on the effects. Thing is, If you tell someone not to do something, they are gonna go do it.

This might actually be a good idea for solving all of our crime problems...Hey, I have an idea...Why don't we make murder legal and see if the murder rate declines, too...Or we could "regulate" it...Say, pay depending on how badly you want the person dead, or maybe how much their life is worth...Why not? I mean...People are going to do it anyway, right?:rolleyes:

See, now this is why I like it here, you can see other people's point of view. I'd hate to be the big government person who had to make a decision about these such things! Personally I don't think Murder is in the same league as taking drugs but I guess some people can get addicted to that too, but can't you get addicted to anything? I agree with you when you said it should be the same with alcohol. There should be the same rules for anything addictive if it is dangerous, so wether it's illegal or legal I think the same rules should apply.

I think people's responses are deemed by their experiences. I am sure if you've had bad experiences yourself or have friends and family affected you're more likely to go the 'illegal' route. Not having any expreineces like myself it's easier to go the legal route as your trying to prevent something to help people when not truly knowing the devestation it causes. It's tough. I guess the more you experience the more you learn.

WeEd YeS!

I'm for Marijuana. I haven't tried any, nor do I intend to, but if people can smoke cigarettes, and get drunk, then why can't they get high? Driving high is dangerous, but so is driving drunk. And cigarettes harm people, and their health. Like Marijuana would. I say legalize the motherfucker.

Alright bloodrayne, i love you to death, but ill fight you tooth and nail on this. The reason its different is that old My Body vs. Your Body idea. If i was to force YOU to take drugs, well thats a total different thing than if I do it in the saftey of my own home not harming anyone. If the only victim is the person doing it than it really is no different than Alcohol and cigarettes, and let me tell ya, marijauna has killed ALOT less people than those 2.

Exactly right, and the people making the laws are the same people saying "i have never taken a drug in my whole life", well STFU then!!! you have no room to make a descision on it, you have no idea what your talking about and your only perpetuating the status quo.

Umm...yes, yes I have heard of people getting behind the wheel high and killing people. Have you not seen the commercial where they are at the drive thru place and the little girl rides her bike in front of them? I happens all the time. Pot is exactly as dangerous as alchohol, and they have similar effects.

But...The only victim is NOT the person doing it...What about the people who love you, do you think they want to see you destroy yourself?...What about the children of parents who abuse drugs, and can't take care of them?...Ever heard of Courtney Love?...I would consider her kids victims...when the courts give them back to her, that is:rolleyes:

I would also consider a lot of children victims, who have parents that don't do drugs. :rolleyes:

But I agree.. What you do influences a number of people around you.

first of all, those commercials are the biggest crock of shit. The one with the girl going into the swimming pool? i mean come on, you could be doing ANYTHING while you werent watching her, that has nothing to do with anything.

And i didnt say it shouldnt be regulated. We should have antidriving while high laws, etc. of course. But we dont keep alcohol illegal ALLTOGETHER even though, drunk driving is the number one cause of all car-related fatalities:rolleyes: but your saying we should keep marijauna illegal COMPLETELY. its a double standard.

Your just wrong.You obviously havent tried drinking or Marijuana to know what affects you more.Im not saying any drug should be leagle, all im saying is alcohol far and away impairs your ability to think and reason more then marijuana does so if alcohol is leagle why not marijuana to?Ya someone has marijuana in there system and they get in an accident you going to blame it on marijuana??So if someone eats a piece of turkey and gets in a car accident you going to blame it on that piece of turkey he ate??ya right.

Ive done enough of both to know that alcohol is much more dangerous just for the simple fact that you can go through 10 mood changes with that in an hours time.

Technically I'm not sure this is a fair debate.

Drugs have a variety of different affects, on different people. One person may say alcohol affects them more than pot does, or vise versa.

Some people who drink can have 10 beers before they're drunk, and some people it only takes 1. Some people wake up with a hangover, some don't.

Some people take LSD a couple times and get fucked up, some people take it hundreds and are still somewhat functioning.

It all depends on the person to as how much something affects them... So I still don't think this is a fair debate.

believe it or not, i agree :D

i never was a fan of drinking, or drugs, or smoking. the main reasons people have told me why they do these things is 1) fun 2)bored 3)my life is so horrible this is the only thing i can do to make it even a little bit ok

... pathetic! ihave fun on my own and kick ass and when im sad i live with it and get over it. im not gonna rely on some chemical to have a good time. the worst though is parents driving SUVS and smoking with a kid in a carseat in back :mad:

Exactly what im saying Nate, Exactly!

And that is also a very good point Rotting, you do have to take that into consideration.

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Overcrowded Jails, the people that belong in prison aren't held in prison because they are over crowded with drug related criminals. Leave the rapists, thieves, and murderers in jail.

Think of all the money we'd save if we just dropped the war on drugs?

Sure drugs are dangerous, but the most dangerous drug there is would be alcohol and what happened when alcohol was prohibited? Pretty much the same thing we have going on here with drugs.

Who's getting rich off the prohibition of drugs? Drug dealers.

I did a paper a few years ago on the legalization of drugs.

Bloodrayne: How can we not talk about the perils of prohibition while discussing prohibition? Should we only talk about the good that can possibly come of it?

"But...The only victim is NOT the person doing it...What about the people who love you, do you think they want to see you destroy yourself?...What about the children of parents who abuse drugs, and can't take care of them?"

Again with the anti-choice... We're two very different people :p. If we want to look at things like that. What about the kids of the drug dealers who only get fed if you buy drugs from their parents?

and i think it's important to add that I don't do drugs. lol

Good point Angela, its all very subjective.

The war on drugs is pointless, we're still going to do drugs. Humans always have and always will, the only difference is whos getting rich off it.

Re: ....
 

We need not discuss it, because we are all quite aware of it already...That was what I meant by that statement

Well, I suppose if they can't find any other job:rolleyes:

What if the only way they could feed their kids was to rob liquor stores?:rolleyes:

I'm sorry...That point was just a little silly:)

Re: Re: ....
 

It wasn't really a point. Read my post again. I said if we want to look at it like you look at it. It's should be your choice to do drugs, the emotional affects on people you know and the welfare of the drug dealers' childeren aren't arguments for saying "drugs hurt other people, which is why they should not be legalized"

Re: Re: Re: ....
 

Okay...However, that wasn't my argument for not legalizing drugs...It was to point out that children, who have parents that abuse drugs, are victims...It was an attempt to counter the statement, made by Arioch, that the abuser is the only victim of his/her abuse

Drugs 'R Bad...MmmKay?:)