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Gay marriage
I'm gunna make a few threads about controversial issues. You don't have to start arguing about them, I just want to know what everyone thinks. But you can post an opinion if you want. Just be aware someone is probably going to argue with you.
Notice the options. I made two sets of options, which are pretty much the same, just some depend on how much you know about the topic. So pick between the two. Whether you know about the topic or not. There's a big difference between someone who's educated about a subject, and someone who decides blindly. |
Marriage is a sacred union that should be extended to gays and lesbians. They should have the right to be able to have that blessing bestowed upon them.
As a Pagan, I would handfast a gay or lesbian couple in a minute. I have no problem with it. As a matter of fact I've worked with a gay and lesbian organization to maintain rights here in NC. |
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Not looking to fight over this....just my opinion |
Well, I don't support "marriage" by law in the first place, so...
I personally believe "marriage" should be a private ritual symbolising love. The law should only be involved to the extent of allowing, for instance, one's partner(s) visitation rights if in the hospital and such. Which, frankly, shouldn't be an issue of "law" anyway. The "law" has no place in people's personal lives unless those involved choose it to be so --- ie, splitting up and being unable to settle on their own child custody and such. That being said - I support all consensual partnerships (being a bisexual polyamorist myself). |
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Also, I don't really think the fight to marry underscores the difference between hetero and homosexual unions. After all, fifty years ago interacial marriages were illegal and being fought for much the same way same-sex unions are being fought for now. |
Why you'd wanna get married under a church/religion that spits on your lifestyle is beyond me....
It's called "common law"....go have someone "legally" deem you married, and celebrate someplace where you're not descriminated against....shit, it's like most gay ppl probably wanna get "married" under a certain church and/or religion just to prove a point.... |
I dont understand what the "harm" is resulting from a same-sex marriage. I think (at least in the bible belt and with many staunchly religious people), allowing homosexual marriage would be saying that it is okay to be homosexual, and they cant have that. It's nothing more than fear of what they dont understand and dont want to.
The Catholic church is completely against gay marriage. hell, it was only a few years ago that the pope stated it was okay for a parent to love their gay kid. (what the fuck is that?!?!) Ironically, they turned a blind eye for DECADES towards preists that were molesting children. Read this: http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k...r/index_1.html It's a very sickening story. As far as I'm concerned, it completely negates the Catholic Church's moral standing. That aside, i think it should be fine for homosexuals to get married. Why not let them have as normal a life as they want? Simply because their sexual preference differs from the norm, doesnt make them lesser people. if it's "Not natural", then why do we bother curing disease?That's not natural.... Kids born with Down's Syndrome or other forms of genetic disorders or retardation wouldnt last in nature, so why let them live? easy, because we are humans and it is whithin our power to break the laws of nature to suit a moral lifestyle. Being attracted to your own sex is not a choice, i dont even believe its a "lifestyle". I have met more people who were just gay than ones who had a traumatic childhood and "became" gay. I guess, in short, the world should get the fuck over it. Let them get better insurance and get taxed more, just like everyone else. |
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The second paragraph- The problem with not being allowed to marry is that gay couples don't get certain priviledges that only married couples are allowed. Even in civil unions they don't get all the priviledges. For example they don't get the same insurance benefits, they can't visit their loved one in hospitals (not married=not family), and some companies base a portion of income on marriage. So I say, let them get married. Jesus never spoke against it, and gay couples only want to be treated as equals. |
I think it's really wrong that gay couples do not get the same benefits that "married" couples get in term of tax and everything so just for this reason alone there should be gay marraiges and I think there will be one day it just takes time. And what difference does it make anyway? I think gay couples are more into the legal side of things than the religious side of marriage.
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exactly. If ypu refuse to hire someone because they are gay, you get prosecuted by the same law as refusing to hire someone because they are jewish, female, black, retarded, etc. how is this any different?
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Right on, people should be able to marry regardless of gender. Sometimes I really wonder whatever happened to the separation of church and state!
Anyway it's not as if straight couples have made such great examples of the 'sacred act of heterosexual marriage'. Look at all those quicky weddings and abusive couples. Live and let live. |
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If you're really curious about it, and you honestly want to know what Jesus said about it...Read Leviticus...It IS mentioned:) |
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i am personally against the idea of gay marriages. Only because of how i was raised. I was taught that homosexual relationships are sinful. I do however have several gay friends, that understand my view. Just because a person is gay, it doesn't mean i love them anyless, even if i may disagree with their lifestyle. I believe its wrong to judge others, if you judge others, don't be surprised when they judge you, and believe me it's really hard not to judge...
now if two of my gay friends planned to get married, i wouldn't agree with their decision, but i'd still support them. |
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I've been leafing around on the net, and yes Leviticus does mention it. However, who wrote it, and who said what, is up for debate. I've read several things thus far saying Moses wrote it at Sinai, and/or that priests wrote it. Who knows? Nowhere did I read that it was Jesus who commented on the subject, or was it him that actually said it, however. I have read numerous things that still believe Jesus hasn't commented on it, and that he has, but only in the Old Testament. How it is translated is also up for debate, because it was written in Hebrew. I've read several translations that condemn gays, and several that condone gay acts, however with restrictions. If Leviticus weren't so flimsy of an arguement, I'm sure that anti-gays would be using it to their advantage. I've never even heard of the book until you mentioned it just now, and I pay pretty close attention to the news. Edit: Aw, you beat me to it Dreaming Girl. ;) |
Ya know what else is in Leviticus?
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But that doesn't matter. You can't bring religion into it because you can't take religion into consideration when deciding whether or not something should or should not be legal. If they're going to involve the government into marriages then they can't pick and choose. |
I think the Church (remember this is the same church that has child molesters for preists) should be able to choose who gets married in their domain, however; I think government marriages between 2 people of the same sex should be legal. I personally think what 2 people of the same sex do in the bedroom shouldn't be questioned by the government and if those 2 people want to become married to each other, they shouldn't be stopped by the government.
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I personally dont think this is the right place for discussion on this matter, because there is tons of ignorant people on this board. I myself am a lesbian and I havent been on the battle ground fighting for the right for me to marry my girlfriend. Because we will never get the chane to do this, yes Vermont has civil unions but it is restricted in many ways.Which I think is completely fucked the hell up. I just want to tell everyone on this board something that has happend to a fiend of mine (she too is a lesbian) she was with her girlfriend for 27 years but her girlfriend died of cancer a couple years back. They were completely inseperable and loved each other dearly. well after "Tina" began to get sick ended up in a hospital for the rest of her days, her family walzed in took control of everything. "Sonya" was not able to visit her or even talk to her ever again. An by law her family had the right to do this. "Sonya" died of cancer and more and likely with a broken heart. Could anyone imagine dying without seeing the person you are inlove with...?? Without saying goodbye to them.?? "Tina`s" family is very much against gays/lesbians but I guess they felt by keeping "Sonya" away from her they could save her soul. These two women were together for 27 years most marriages dont last that long. the divorce rate is about %50 among heterosexual couples so I think we deserve the right to marry who we love. I am not a christian nor do I believe in this religion, to me it is make believe and the bible is just a story. So if you are a religious nut dont even argue with me about who we are and say our sexuality is an abomination. Love is something that is in a persons heart and can be shared between men and men, women and women, men and women, and sometimes with mutiple partners.
Someone mentioned that gays/lesbians like to prove a points which is so far from the truth, and that was an ignorant remark... this is all I have to say on this subject... \m/ stay sick :-) |
Right on, Ritualistic.
Christianity aside, I think that homosexuals should be able to have a legal union and receive the same benefits that heteros do. -Federal income tax benefits -health insurance -right to make decisions about their partner's estate and medical care if they are unable to do so -right to inherit their partner's estate It's not like straight people get married to take advantage of this stuff. Marriage is a pain in the ass and not worth doing just for health and tax benefits. Gay or straight, if you are involved in a long-term relationship and all the nastiness that comes with that type of commitment, you should be entitled to the legal benefits. |
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...Ritualistic is a girl?
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ROTFLMFAO....Sam...You must be the only one here who did NOT know that!...:rolleyes: :D |
i didn't know that !!!!!!
and i saw the pics !!!!!!! |
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i wanna know how the hell bush is trying to manage banning gay marriage LEGALLY
he wants to make a constitutional amendment... im hoping the nation isnt doubly stupid and RE ELECTS him and where are the wmds? |
they're gonna find them JUST in time for the 4th of July
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your previous post brought something to mind that happened at my wifes work, this womans brother was gay and he and his life partner lived together for years and years, anyways they bought a condo together (the gay couple) the womans brother died, cause I am unsure but it makes no difference to the story, anyways the brother left everything to the man he lived with and the bitch sister took the guy to court and made the court take away the condo and all things that they had together. Now she runs around the condo assoc. bragging about how she fucked this guy over that was her brothers lover. If this is not a case for gay marriage rights I dont know what the HELL is. I am sick and tired of the goverment telling me what I can and cant do in my bedroom. If I want to have sex with a fucking garbage can and marry it, thats my business and no one elses. I have known gay people and found them to be much happier and nicer than those that claim to be straight. It is not a lifestyle for me but I dont think anyone should pass judgement on anyone else for the choices they make when it comes to who they love. |
people against gay marriage always claim that they want to 'uphold the sanctity of marriage' and that gays/lesbians marrying fuck it up
if anything is bringing down marriage, its all these quicky marriages between dumbass people that end up gettin divorced PRETTY nastily that does it. eg JENNIFER LOPEZ! so they'll let jennifer lopez do all that CRAP yet a loving, gay couple cant? |
Isn't marriage fundamentally legal anyways? I thought the government was supposed to stay out of religious stuff.
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Marriage?
All you guys make me feel better about the world!
I've known I was gay for 40+ years--and I really haven't been repressed or my style cramped. I have just as many straight friends as gay ones--probably more. Yes, I have a boyfriend--but his parents like me--but it has never occurred to me to want to get married. Except for my parents, who were separated before my birth in 1943, all my parent figures have had long, happy marriages--58yrs.,61yrs. I'm one of the ones on the poll that voted for civil unions rather than marriage--I guess because the thought of marriage bores me. I personally have always thought that marriage is for the benefit of the offspring--of which I have none. But I do think couples who want to get married should be allowed to do so. Thanks again--I did not read a single post which I found offensive--or even that I really disagreed with. Must get back to packing and moving--D-day is Monday. Juan. |
I'm up for it.
stupid me!!!! i don't know how to atytach images ...grrrrrrrr... ::::bangs head on screen!::: Now, how do you do that again? |
that's not how you attach images. Go to the attach image thing in the reply page
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I, personally, cannot see the difference between a woman- woman family and a woman-man family. Both are based on mutual and deep love. Both should be protected by society. Both should be allowed to raise children and committ themselves to a passionate and happy life. The religions that want to take away those rights should fuck off.
Not everyone follows the same path, and just because they (religious nuts) don't think it's right doesn't mean they have to ruin it for everyone else. They think it's their responsibility to protect society... I don't want their fucking protection! Hell, I want protection from them! A few years ago I was in a wedding for two women. This wasn't a legal ceremony, but a personal loving ceremomy. It was beautiful, and just as meaningful as if it had been for a woman and man. |
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alot of gay people on this forum it looks like:rolleyes:
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i completely agree with gay marrige, or atleast the idea of giving gay partners the same benifits, under the law, that we give heterosexuals. This is just another form of discrimination, hey if it were a racial issue we wouldve gotten rid of this 50 years ago.
As it stands, they are trying to go back and put in this ammendment into the constitution pretty much stating gay marrige is forbidden, and frankly, the idea of going back and writing that kind of discrimination into the constitution just sickens me. |
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I think Marriage should be between a man and a woman. But people who hate someone just because they're gay is just fucking stupid.
I also don't believe that people are born gay. How can you tell if you're not attracted to any of the opposite sex?? When you haven't met all of the opposite sex in the world..?? It just doesn't make sense to me. |
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