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Psycom5k 11-28-2008 02:26 PM

This is why I have lost faith in humanity.
 
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Black Friday WalMart Worker Trampled to Death by Deal-Crazed Black Friday Shoppers
By Adam Frucci, 12:39 PM on Fri Nov 28 2008

OK, Black Friday has officially gotten out of hand. A 34-year-old WalMart employee was trying to hold back the crowds at a Long Island store this morning at 5am, when they took the doors off their hinges and stormed the store. The man fell down and was trampled by over 200 people as he gasped for air. It's sad and despicable, and it's equally the fault of the dehumanized shoppers and the WalMart store it happened at.

Why was there no line set up? Why didn't they let in a reasonable amount of people at a time? What kind of method is it to just allow hundreds of people to cram up against the doors, waiting for them to open? They may have wanted some photo op of people surging through the doors, but they willfully created a very dangerous situation.

Can you imagine if, say, the Apple store did this when the iPhone was launched? Or when the Wii was launched? When a large amount of people are expected for a retail event, organization is needed, otherwise it creates a dangerous situation. This man's death is on WalMart's hands.

As for the people who did the trampling, well, I hope their cheap crap was worth it. They'll have to live with the human costs of their deals for the rest of their lives. [NY Daily News]

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Two men kill each other in Toys R Us shootout


PALM DESERT, Calif. (AP) -- Two people are dead in a Black Friday shooting at a crowded Toys "R" Us in Palm Desert, Calif.

City Councilman Jim Ferguson says police have told him that the victims were two men with handguns who shot each other.

The councilman says his question is: who takes a loaded gun into a toy store. And his answer is: "I doubt it was the casual holiday shopper." Authorities are still investigating but indicate the shooting may have been gang related.

A manager at a gym across the street says people rushed in crying and shaking.

One woman says she was in the store looking at coloring books with her two young boys when there was a commotion in the next aisle. She thought it was a scramble for a sale, then heard gunshots. She says her four-year-old grabbed her leg and said he didn't want to die.

She said she froze, and store employees calmly escorted her out of the store.

Toys "R" Us officials did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

Palm Desert is about 120 miles east of Los Angeles.

The Palm Desert Police Department received calls of shots fired around 11:35 a.m., Riverside County sheriff's Sgt. Dennis Gutierrez said.

He said officers were still investigating what prompted the gunshots.

This just sickens me, I cannot believe that people care more about getting fucking christmas presents than another human beings life. I'm sure MD will get a kick out of this though.

Dante'sInferno 11-28-2008 02:49 PM

That's fucking pathetic.There is no excuse for that.Fucking idiots.

hacelikewhoa 11-28-2008 02:51 PM

Now that's just ridiculous. Wtf is the world coming to that human beings are seriously this materialistic? People need to stop buying peoples love. Your families WILL survive without a certain gift that you so desperately want to get them. jeez.

Freak 11-28-2008 02:55 PM

I lost faith in humanity along time ago.I work at a K-Mart and I worked this morning and it was pure chaos.Nothing as extreme as what happend in some other areas but someone did spit on another co worker of mine because we where out of stock of a certain item she wanted.

Oh and it was 1 in the afternoon and she was mad we where out.If you really want something on Black Friday common sense would tell you to get there a little earlier.But then again most people lack common sense.

La Chat Noire 11-28-2008 02:58 PM

When I worked at Best Buy we had a customer take off her shoe and thrown it at my coworkers head. People are fucking crazy.

ferretchucker 11-28-2008 03:14 PM

That first guys life was taken away because some guy couldn't take the time to organize things before hand. Absolutely sickening.

Psycom5k 11-28-2008 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ferretchucker (Post 763955)
That first guys life was taken away because some guy couldn't take the time to organize things before hand. Absolutely sickening.

But then why do hundreds of people need to break down a door that is locked and closed, they snapped it off the hinges and trapped the person underneath the doors. I hate Walmart, but for once its not their fault. Thats how I see it.

The_Return 11-28-2008 05:28 PM

A nice, cheery way to usher in your return to the forum...

The Flayed One 11-28-2008 05:39 PM

When I used to sell toys, comics etc, I heard stories about this kind of shit all of the time.

Yes, I was one of the horrible people who went to the store at 3am when the toys were stocked and bought most of the good ones. However, if I had a cart full of toys and walked by a kid who wanted one, I'd always give it to them to buy. It used to sicken me when I'd go there in the afternoons. There'd be a bunch of mercs (I knew a lot of them) waiting with me, along with families. The store employee would come out with new cases of Star Wars and open them up. Most of the bastards would take off with whatever good toys they could get. I'd grab a bunch, and then make sure to ask the kids there what they were looking for. If I had it in my cart, I'd give it to them to buy. I have no problem selling to regular collectors for increased prices. That's how the business works: I was selling a service. Basically, I was willing to get up and go to the store for them at any hour, and they paid me extra for the effort.

I would never, EVER pass up handing one to a child. I don't care if I could have made $70 bucks off of it.

Every year, there was always some new hot toy people were getting mugged for in the parking lots. Some crazy thing that grown men and women would go to any lengths to get. Breaking into stores and homes for Tickle Me Elmos. I once had a guy give me his $200 trench coat and $50 cash for a Sleep N Snore Ernie. People can be fucking rediculous. A hobby is a hobby, and it's nice to be able to get the hard to come by piece. Then some asshole has to hold a knife to a working mother and take the Beanie Baby she just bought her daughter, and it becomes a sickness. Just like anything else.

So pay $3,000 if you must for your PS3 the day it comes out. I may call you an asshat, but you're not hurting anyone but yourself. Just don't take it out on someone else because your lifestyle or general laziness means you lost the first come, first serve war. If you didn't get it, you can wait like everyone else or pay the gauged price if you feel the need

Despare 11-28-2008 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 763976)
But then why do hundreds of people need to break down a door that is locked and closed, they snapped it off the hinges and trapped the person underneath the doors. I hate Walmart, but for once its not their fault. Thats how I see it.

Didn't the story say they ripped the doors off the hinges AFTER the store opened?

""When the doors opened, all hell broke loose," a law enforcement source told The Post."


It was disorganized plain and simple. I went to Best Buy, Circuit City, Meijer, Micheal's, Gamestop, Bed Bath & Beyond, Borders, Staples, Target, and the mall today starting at 5 AM and all without incident.

Psycom5k 11-28-2008 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Return (Post 763984)
A nice, cheery way to usher in your return to the forum...

Oh yea. Thats how I roll. But seriously I hate black friday for just this reason.

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 763989)
Didn't the story say they ripped the doors off the hinges AFTER the store opened?

"When the doors opened, all hell broke loose," a law enforcement source told The Post."

I haven't heard that, but that doesn't mean that them breaking them open isn't what they are talking about in that quote. And would it really surprise you if they did bust down the doors? I'll agree that it was the people on both sides of the doors' fault though.

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Originally Posted by The Flayed One (Post 763986)
When I used to sell toys, comics etc, I heard stories about this kind of shit all of the time.

Yes, I was one of the horrible people who went to the store at 3am when the toys were stocked and bought most of the good ones. However, if I had a cart full of toys and walked by a kid who wanted one, I'd always give it to them to buy. It used to sicken me when I'd go there in the afternoons. There'd be a bunch of mercs (I knew a lot of them) waiting with me, along with families. The store employee would come out with new cases of Star Wars and open them up. Most of the bastards would take off with whatever good toys they could get. I'd grab a bunch, and then make sure to ask the kids there what they were looking for. If I had it in my cart, I'd give it to them to buy. I have no problem selling to regular collectors for increased prices. That's how the business works: I was selling a service. Basically, I was willing to get up and go to the store for them at any hour, and they paid me extra for the effort.

I would never, EVER pass up handing one to a child. I don't care if I could have made $70 bucks off of it.

Every year, there was always some new hot toy people were getting mugged for in the parking lots. Some crazy thing that grown men and women would go to any lengths to get. Breaking into stores and homes for Tickle Me Elmos. I once had a guy give me his $200 trench coat and $50 cash for a Sleep N Snore Ernie. People can be fucking rediculous. A hobby is a hobby, and it's nice to be able to get the hard to come by piece. Then some asshole has to hold a knife to a working mother and take the Beanie Baby she just bought her daughter, and it becomes a sickness. Just like anything else.

So pay $3,000 if you must for your PS3 the day it comes out. I may call you an asshat, but you're not hurting anyone but yourself. Just don't take it out on someone else because your lifestyle or general laziness means you lost the first come, first serve war. If you didn't get it, you can wait like everyone else or pay the gauged price if you feel the need

I bet that if you find a toy that went on sale this morning for the first time, its allready on ebay too.

missmacabre 11-28-2008 08:06 PM

Yeah I read about this eralier today. Shoving a pregnant lady out of the way so you can buy cheap electronics is instant going to hell. I don't care if you're buying an x-box for your dying son who has cancer, that's just stupid.

PS Misssed you Psycom!

Despare 11-28-2008 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 764014)
I haven't heard that, but that doesn't mean that them breaking them open isn't what they are talking about in that quote. And would it really surprise you if they did bust down the doors? I'll agree that it was the people on both sides of the doors' fault though.

They DID break the doors but the store was open. Most stores I went to had their doors propped open to avoid any problems with people entering and leaving. Everybody's at fault from the poor planning to the ignorant assholes who don't know how to act in public.

Psycom5k 11-28-2008 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by missmacabre (Post 764016)
Yeah I read about this eralier today. Shoving a pregnant lady out of the way so you can buy cheap electronics is instant going to hell. I don't care if you're buying an x-box for your dying son who has cancer, that's just stupid.

PS Misssed you Psycom!

I missed you too :o

And yea, if I ever saw a pregnant woman being shoved like that, i'd probably have a 1 year ban from the store for fighting. Seriously I'm always around pregnant chicks, so much so I could probably be a midwife. I don't play when it comes to babies and bun in the oven chicks.


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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 764019)
They DID break the doors but the store was open. Most stores I went to had their doors propped open to avoid any problems with people entering and leaving. Everybody's at fault from the poor planning to the ignorant assholes who don't know how to act in public.

So we're agreed then, and I get the last word on it.......I win!!!

Despare 11-28-2008 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 764020)

So we're agreed then

Yes, we're in agreement that I'm right.

fortunato 11-28-2008 08:32 PM

I don't even know how to respond to incidents like this anymore.
So I won't.

Other than what I just typed...

Psycom5k 11-28-2008 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 764032)
Yes, we're in agreement that you're right.

Thats the idea.

Despare 11-28-2008 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 764037)
Thats the idea.

Either don't quote me or post the correct quote, don't change what I said, that's both lazy and stupid. Things like that really make me question my faith in humanity...

Psycom5k 11-28-2008 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 764039)
Either don't quote me or post the correct quote, don't change what I said, that's both lazy and stupid. Things like that really make me question my faith in humanity...

Sheesh it was just a joke.
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Despare 11-28-2008 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 764041)
Sheesh it was just a joke.

I don't do drugs.

Psycom5k 11-28-2008 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 764042)
I don't do drugs.

Maybe you should. :rolleyes:

Despare 11-28-2008 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 764043)
Maybe you should. :rolleyes:

That's what all junkies say when somebody's being sardonic.

Psycom5k 11-28-2008 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 764044)
That's what all junkies say when somebody's being sardonic.

Hey what I smoke or inject into my veins is totally my business. And it doesn't make me a junkie. Now if I was sucking D$*& to get my fix then that would make me a junkie. Oh yeah, I'm also afraid of needles just so you know.

Phalanx 11-28-2008 09:15 PM

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Oh yeah, I'm also afraid of needles just so you know.
You say that, and inject between your toes to front, right?

RIGHT?!?

Re the shopping incidents...people are just fuckin' stupid...

Psycom5k 11-28-2008 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Phalanx (Post 764046)
You say that, and inject between your toes to front, right?

RIGHT?!?

Re the shopping incidents...people are just fuckin' stupid...

Nope, I see a needle and feint.

and yea they are. I say everybody has to have a special wrist band put on once they enter the store, and if they fuck up, instantly injected with poison. Lets seem em fight over a fucking elmo doll then.

Kemal 11-29-2008 04:55 AM

Freaking savages. Trampled to death doing a minimum-wage job by a bunch of crazed shoppers lusting after cheap Chinese crap. What a way to go.

Roderick Usher 11-29-2008 10:04 AM

Linus was right

urgeok2 11-29-2008 01:15 PM

i find it weird with everything thats gone on in the last 3000 years, and it took one guy getting crushed by animals at a wal-mart to shake your faith in humanity

Psycom5k 11-29-2008 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by urgeok2 (Post 764161)
i find it weird with everything thats gone on in the last 3000 years, and it took one guy getting crushed by animals at a wal-mart to shake your faith in humanity

Well, the 9/11 attacks were done by people that thought what they were doing was right. I don't agree with this but to them it meant something. This crap had no meaning at all besides people wanting to be the first ones to buy some crap for christmas, because the whole point of christmas nowadays isn't being with your family. Its all materialistic assholes getting the stuff they want, or the stuff their spoiled brats want, at the price of human life.

Marroe 11-29-2008 03:28 PM

I heard about this before I went to work this morning and it made me so sad that this guy won't being seeing his family for Christmas, or ever again, all because people are so materialistic. I volunteered to work our sale yesterday morning but thankfully Walgreens customers aren't THAT crazy. Well, most of them. But just to be on the safe side I don't think I'm going to be working Black Friday ever again. Or leaving the house.

bwind22 11-29-2008 05:10 PM

They need to change their slogan from 'Watch for Falling Prices.' to 'Watch for Falling Doors (and stampeding mobs of bargain hunters.)'

The real problem I have here though is that there are that many people shopping at WalMart at all. There are so many other businesses out there, from gigantic corporate slimeballs all the way up to ma & pop owned local establishments with good intentions that serve their communities. Do we really need MOBS of people supporting THE sleaziest coproration in our country?

That's what makes me lose faith in humanity... The fact that so many fuckin' people support Wal-Mart. Fucking sickening.

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/images/w...morals_alt.jpg

Phalanx 11-29-2008 05:13 PM

I just want a tv.
Yes, a tv is what I want.

Psycom5k 11-29-2008 05:35 PM

I was asked what I wanted for christmas, and I told them 3 things some Ram for my pc, a new headset(preferably wireless), and the TDK DVD. whats that, $150 at the most?

Despare 11-29-2008 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bwind22 (Post 764229)
They need to change their slogan from 'Watch for Falling Prices.' to 'Watch for Falling Doors (and stampeding mobs of bargain hunters.)'

The real problem I have here though is that there are that many people shopping at WalMart at all. There are so many other businesses out there, from gigantic corporate slimeballs all the way up to ma & pop owned local establishments with good intentions that serve their communities. Do we really need MOBS of people supporting THE sleaziest coproration in our country?

That's what makes me lose faith in humanity... The fact that so many fuckin' people support Wal-Mart. Fucking sickening.

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/images/w...morals_alt.jpg

My aunt is a district manager and makes well over $100,000 a year (closer to $200,000 actually) with great benefits. Just because people don't let the union bully them they get targeted for low wages... I know some other people who work there and make a decent wage too.

bwind22 11-29-2008 10:03 PM

Guaranteed the guy that got trampled wasn't pulling down more than $10 an hour.

But I think you and I have had this conversation before so I'll leave it at that.

Psycom5k 11-29-2008 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bwind22 (Post 764316)
Guaranteed the guy that got trampled wasn't pulling down more than $10 an hour.

But I think you and I have had this conversation before so I'll leave it at that.

Yeah they now have this policy where there is only so much you can make and for most people thats not even 12 dollars.

bwind22 11-29-2008 10:50 PM

I'm just gonna guess that guy assigned to stand at the doors at 5am on a weekend is on the low end of the payscale, so that'd probably put him in the $8-$9/hour range, probably with no insurance.

Despare 11-30-2008 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bwind22 (Post 764318)
I'm just gonna guess that guy assigned to stand at the doors at 5am on a weekend is on the low end of the payscale, so that'd probably put him in the $8-$9/hour range, probably with no insurance.

Probably no insurance because if you read the article he was placed there for the rush as extra help from a temp agency. $8 or $9 dollars an hour is a hell of a lot better than if he was in China slaving his life away AND it's above minimum wage, places that want to MAKE MONEY do not have to pay high wages, hell, we might as well be Socialist and all make the same wage in that case. Why the fuck should anybody get more than $9.00 an hour to be a greeter?

ferretchucker 11-30-2008 07:13 AM

$8-9 and hour is pretty damn good! My sister works at subway and makes less than £5 and hour. Minimum wage here being about £4.50! $10 would be quite good for supermarket wage and $12 is way better.

La Chat Noire 11-30-2008 08:56 AM

Given the cost of living, $8 or $9 an hour isn't good all. It's not a wage you can make a living off of by yourself. You would have to have roommates or live with family...you need someone else to help support you. But raising wages isn't the answer because that will only drive prices up more. I'm not sure there is a good solution.


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