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ok - watching second obama - mccain debate and i must say - i cannot imagine how anyone in their right mind could consider voting for mccain. i have never heard such cliches in my life . . .everything is 'my friends' this and 'my friends' that. also - mccain can't give any examples of what he would do - just try to criticize obama. . . i fear for this country and the world if they put that dottering old fart in the white house

Exactly!

McCain tonight on taxes:

"Well Tom, tax increases, are increases on taxes. And this isn't an easy issue. It's something we all can go sit at the table and fix."

McCain on Foreign Policy, Afghanistan

"Obama doesn't act repsonisbly..He talks softly..let me tell you about my idol, a great man by the name of Ronald Reagon; You know Tom, my great idol, my hero, President Teddy Roosevelt had this "Big Stick" Policy, and that's what I intend to have this presodency; unlike my colleague Obama I'll speak softly and carry a "Big Stick," and in doing so will have the troops in Afghanistan leave in victory not defeat in a McCain Administration. We are indeed the greatest country, with the best military on Earth, I assure you...."

then he rambles on about Russia


I Want every one to "Barrack and Roll" on November 4th

-Shannon

They're both worthless....We're all fucked.
I'm wasting my vote on Ron Paul. :rolleyes:

My main insight into your American Politics is the Daily show with John Stewart....

I can't see much in the McCaian campaighn from that..

The thing is, after reading stupid white men recently, how likely would Obama be to win no matter what.

The worst thing you can do is waste a vote, especially since you don't have to vote, at least vote for the least fucked...

Couldn't agree more.If McCain gets into the office we will be even more screwed than with Bush in office.I'm voting for Obama.I think he will bring the change that is needed and he hits on alot of things that are important to me.McCain and Palin just give alot of run around bull and never give a real well thought out answer.

It doesn't matter what the question is, McCain's answers all seem to be that somebody else "doesn't understand" as an answer. OK, that's fine if someone doesn't, but why not EXPLAIN it in a responsive answer to the questions posed to you ? I sure don't mean like that idiot you chose as a running mate who always addresses people as if she were talking to kindergarten children (even though I think she is clueless and doesn't answer anything herself).
I see McCain as another W - screwing off in his younger years, living off daddy's prestige and family money until it's time to get a job and all the strings are there to pull for them to enter politics. Only difference is McCain actually did do military time and drags that hero label out constantly to show what a great American he is. I'd say a single mom working 3 jobs to keep a roof over her and her kids' heads in this current economic mess is more of a hero. It is unfortunate McCain spent time in a POW camp many years ago, but it just doesn't answer what he plans to do tomorrow and telling me as a voter that I "don't understand" doesn't make it any clearer. I don't think there are any answers or plan. "Just hang in there and you'll see" doesn't cut it for me and a lot of people.
Shame on W and company for stealing the election in 2000. Shame on us for letting them do it again in 2004. Make a difference this time and don't let them get away with it ever again. Vote.

agreed- i thought mccain was starting to talk to us all like we were idiots or toddlers. every time he said "my friends" i thought he was really saying 'boys and girls.' in fact, i realized if you had a 'debate drinking game' and the key word for mccain was 'my friends' -you'd be hammered by the second question.

its not a wasted vote. I actually voted for mccain back in 2000 because he was better than bush and gore (at the time...) and didnt stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Its not a wasted vote, its a political statement.



For the record, so is not voting. Purposely not going and voting is a statement, not voting because you forgot is stupid, because odds are you wanted to vote for somebody but didnt.

I completely agree. I'm voting for Obama, too. Palin scares the shit out of me - especially since there's a very real possibility that SHE could end up as president! McCain doesn't look too healthy to me. Plus, there's no way in hell that I'm going to vote for someone that wants to take away my right to decide what to do with MY body!

I missed the debate last night - I'll have to tune in to NPR to get the highlights.

I saw their FIRST debate, however, and I have to say that it terrified the HELL out of me - I had gone into it assuming that McCain would go down in flames. But the fact of the matter is that he was horrifyingly eloquent (even if the was full of shit... What SCARES me is that the average American is too dumb to KNOW when he's full of shit).

The average American doesn't seem to know the difference between actual answers and gross jingoistic generalizations made to galvanize "patriotic Americans."

I shudder for this election. I truly do. :(

Its kind of funny, here we are less than a month away from the elections, everyone here, for themost part, seems to be on Obama's side if for no other reaason than Mccain seems to be "more of the same" crap we have dealt with for nearly a decade, which is funny since I predicted after Kerry lost that whoever ran as a democrat in '08 was going to be a shoo-in, and oddly I'm reminded of something Rod posted a while back, which turned out to be absolutely true:

Republicans in office, especially during a war, are great for the horror genre. think about it, there have been some really great horror movies come out in the past few years. Between the two of them, they create the perfect real-world paranoia and mood for both inspiring horror and putting people in the mood for it.

That said, I'll gladly take another slew of pathetic Japanese rip-offs if it will get the economy back in line and get me a house and the ability to not spend half my paycheck to live indoors...

What about Ralph Nader...he seems to be an option to. But he wasn't invited to the debates.

I have a feeling these days they just chuckle and pat him on the head when he runs.

As far as Ron Paul... I have mostly Liberterian beleiefs, and tend to side with the Trey and Matt from South Park on most things (they are both vocal Liberterians), but the Liberterian candidates always SUCK. I have wiped Ron Paul from my mind , but i do remember thinking he was an idiot.

I think people should vote considering people literally gave their lives so we could have the priveledge.

But McCain! Really. What are the Republicans playing at? The best candidate they could find, was somebody who wasn't as good a George Bush eight bloody years ago! Obama is about change, and that is EXACTLY what we want. Whether you like some of the things that are gonna change, the current situation is still absolutely shit.

Insight from a highschooler from another country...

Ask an American kid about the political environment in England and you'll probably get a response like this:

"Like, i think the King should really care about the environment over in England."

I voted for Nader in 2000. I might as well have written in "Donald Duck" or "the Green Lantern".

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...008debate1.jpg


:rolleyes:

donald duck would be a terrible choice for president !! with his temper ? he'd nuke the world the fist time his nephews broke a vase.


now the green lantern ... hmmm ... you might be onto something there.

I watched the damn thing..........almost put me to sleep. I don't think either one of them have a clue on how to get us out of this financial mess.

WE ?

FYI - You have a Prime Minister not a President.
First of all....you're too young to vote.. and you couldn't vote in the U.S. unless you lived here and were granted citizenship.

I'm glad you care...but come on, kid...Seriously. :rolleyes:

The first time I voted for president I DID vote for Howard the Duck. He was actually running- though I never did get my "Get Down America" button I paid for- bastard.

Yeah, and talking about nothing but change isn't cliché at all. Fuck politics, they piss me off, especially when people don't realize that their fucking opinions are just that... opinion. When you start insulting people for who they pick or begin to insinuate things about their mental health and/or stereotype them and what they believe in you become more of a joke than the politicians that lie to us every year.

Which is so interesting (good or bad depending on the person) is America's opportunity for Prez. All you have to be is:

---35
--A US born citizen
---Lived in the country for at least over 14 yrs.

we have an impending election up here - the signs are on the lawns ...

there has been multiple instances of people having their brake lines on their cars cut because of who they are supporting via a sign..

nice..

politics dont piss me off so much - but the general public sure does.

Yeh, they all promise change but it is necessary and considering Obama himself is a change from the usual kind of people being put forward I think he could bring it.

And richer than God.

Exactly, we wonder why the candidates run attack ads when we're attacking those who don't agree with our decision.

Technically no...but that's what they often are. Not all of them were born with Silver Spoons in their mouths though, like John McCain and George W. Bush were though. But I give you that. Most of them all are rich, white male, protestants.

But I assume most of them are rich specifically because of the jobs they had before. Most people (although you don't have to but it's pretty sensical to) who run for the Oval office have been at least some representative for a town, commmunity or State. Whether it be mayor (city), town (city concil representative) or state (Governor or Senator) and senators I know make a little over $165,000 a year--that's just a newbie one. Most are around a quarter of a million ($250,000). If you have rank in congress too, say a majority or minority leader, you make 500,000 a year. Speaker of the house about 150,000. More local officials such as city council reps, mayors, and governors make between $70,000 - $206, 500.

But not all of them are. I don't remember the kids name. But one day on the Ellen Degenres show, she had the nation's youngest mayor. He was 18; he turned 19 soon after the show I believe. He didn't think he was going to win--said he campaigned just for the heck of it, and won! So every story isn't the old fashioned way every time.:)

you are f***ing insane!

same thing happened in my hometown ..
a kid in highschool ran for mayor and won. (he didnt win insomuch as the old mayor lost - a dog could have run against him and won)
Thing is he approached it with interest - learned a lot and did a good job.


as far as the US elections go - if nothing else comes of this - it at least showed that the USA has made some progress finally - where a black man could even be considered to run for president.

there are many people alive today who never could have believed this possible in their lifetime. (both blacks and old racist crackers alike)

But to have had a woman AND a black man running at one time ? thats really something else.

shows there might be some hope for the future after all ... because as recent history shows, rich old crazy white men haven't been that great for the country as of late.

Oh come on! They have done a fine job... We have spent the last decade (practically) at war, and war has always been GREAT for the american economy! Hasnt it? Oh yeah, EVERY OTHER WAR was, just not this one. Leave it to G-Dubya to take something that was basically a law of nature about america and flush it down the toilet.

Politics is like ordering from the menu at McDonalds. You can stand there deciding for 6 hours, if you like, but your still walking out the door with a sack of crap.

To clarify...I hate to be picky but he's biracial...his dad's black and his mom's white. And it wouldn't be the first time neccessarily it would open up Americans' minds to see the possibilities of possible black president candidates. Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton were black men that ran for president but didn't get very far. In my opinion, their approaches, plus significant and substantial views weren't enough to grasp attention; let alone the intelligence, enlightment, charm and even inspiration--something that Obama possesses all of.

On to more possibilities of minority candidates...funny how you should mention how amazing it was for a race be between a black man and a woman. Many Political analysists were speculating around April-May when Obama appeared the projected winner over Clinton that it wasn't likely he would choose her as a running mate; he instead was looking at a hispanic governor of (I believe the state of New Mexico) for a running mate; sharing similar backgrounds/stories of perseverance as Obama (he was the sound of mexican immigrants, was impoverished, worked, went into politics...etc) But of course many republicans said many times "America's not ready for that....we're not ready." Numerous times the interviewer tried to get them to clarify whay they meant by that; but it was implied that America wasn't "ready" to see a scenario of 3 possible minorities : A woman, a black, and a hispanic. Not all at the same time. Like many of you I was apalled by the assertion; and though this wasn't explictly stated it was definitely implied. Many also argued that when Bush chose Condoleeza Rice as his Foreign Relations personnel, now secretary of state he was "killing two birds with one stone." He choose a balck woman--so because she was black and a woman--the goal was to appeal minority issues wasn't a big deal to him. Also in an effort, for those that vote by race and vote according to gender.


Hopefully tensions will alleviate whenever I decide to run for president (my intention is perhaps the next 25 years) But despite all the bad, I think we are slowly bridging the gaps between the old 50s Jim Crow logic and the contemporary generation (now it's more so clash between us putting those in power whom are 3 or 4 X our age whom want to remain looking at things in a manner that is so outdated; when they haven't grasped that this is a new generation, a new century even, and we are in need of quite simply a new direction).

--Shannon

http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103888/

the most appropriate episode of any tv show ever regarding voting:

"most of the time your only options are some douche or some turd"

Arguably, these two did more harm than good because it was decades before anyone tried again. If they really want to help the African American community, they would both just quietly fade from sight. I think they are both embarrasments to the human race; I cant imagine the humiliation they would cause if i were in the same ethnic group.

Personally, I think the 2 of them get "outraged" because they LOVE to see themselves on TV, and listen to the sound of their own voices.

Come on guys. You all can't be apathetic about the situation. Sure bad things have happened. But in a world we live in, no mater how hard you try to please everyone in a situation it doesn't always happen. So don't give up on it, Just because you feel like you're in a "this sucks," situation, it doesn't always have to be like this. There was a time when you guys whom are US citizens loved your country. Don't give up on what has become distorted and be pesismistic and assume it'll only change for the worst.

And no I'm not talking about Rudy Juliani and how he acted during 9/11.

It wasn't decades before anyone tried again...Jesse Jackson was in the late 70s early 80s..and Al Sharpton was in the 2004 elections.

As a black woman, I don't think they can help the African American community by neccesarily fading away in sight; but for the older generations that support them readdresss their supporters and encourage them that America is in set with a new, more concise direction of focus. Not that thier goals were terrible, but were in the light of more personable changes--ie-primarily focusing on ethnical issues for minorities for example, instead of holistic dilemmas America as a majority endure. Not to indicate that race or sex doesn't matter anymore. Because that would be a lie; but again to redirect them into a bigger focus, and develop concise, brightline of potential solutions.

Okay, then Jesse Jackson then. I didnt remember when sharpton did it, mostly because I ignore him as best I can.

As far as them fading away, I'll be honest, I dont know how the black community views them, but for white folks in my neck of the woods, they have both been shown way to often to be horrendously hypocritical and have 0 credibility.

I realize as white people we have those who fit into this category as well, we call them "White politicians".
:D

Whom are classified as "White Politicians" and what are the other classifications?