The devils rejects
 

sorry if theres already a thread about this< I couldn't get search to work, what do people think about it and what film is it a sequel from.
maybe I'm just jaded but I didn't think it was that shocking

The Devil's Rejects is a sequel of House of 1000 Corpses. I personally liked Corpses better though the acting was better in The Devil's Rejects. The latter did not really phase me either, but any reason to watch Bill Mosely is fine by me.

is the first film fairly old?

Not at all. 2003, I believe.

I prefer Rejects.

pourquoi? Just cause you like westerns and old movies and this was a mix of a western and Bonnie and Clyde? With some extra swearing and hillbillies for extra measure....

for a film that was meant to be really shocking the baddies spent very little time torturing and killing people

I like The Devil's Rejects because it's an "on the road" movie with an unbelievable 70s atmosphere. Essentially, yeah, I like the western-grit style to it.

I had to give it a couple of views, but I ended up liking it, though not nearly as much as I like House of a Thousand Corpses.

To me, The Devil's Rejects presents much more three-dimensional characters. In 1000 Corpses, they're just unstoppable monsters who line in a house of torture. In Rejects, they're human and weak; hell, they're on the run, and they're scared. It's a horror movie in a much more subtle way. And I like that.

It's a good change of perspective and it's from a realer space. I think people miss a lot of the good points in 1000 Corpses. There's a certain amount of concretism people expect from a slasher movie and it's not quite there. It's more of a tour of where slasher movies come from.

i loved 1000 corpses .. a great homage to the Texas Chainsaw Massacre
cartoony and nuts.


Devils Rejects followed more in the vein of Last House on the Left ... a genre (torture/rape/revenge) i never cared for.

I much perfer Rejects. House was good but sorta cartoonish.

House Of 1000 Corpses and The Devil's Rejects are genius flicks and have been the best horror flicks of this decade hands down. Captain Spalding and Otis are the two most effective icons of modern horror. Vivid, grotesque but likable.
DR pissed all over Death Proof for getting the 70s exploitation feel down.
Its got a big gang of haters but Halloween was a breath of fresh air into a tired franchise.
Along with cats Jim Van Bebber theres a really cool maverick auteur thing happening.
Go watch The Manson Family... pure brilliance straight up uncompromising film making for the fans and the love of the medium. Time well spend instead of worrying if the House Of The Dead guy is gonna make another movie.

That's the biggest problem I had with the Devil's Rejects. It was a let down after House of 1000 Corpses. I thought they were suppose to up the ante and instead we are now identifying and sympathizing with the killers?! Disappointing.

Now if the Devil's Rejects wasn't a sequel and had different characters, I would probably like it a lot more. It was well done and a good story, it just was a bad sequel.

oh man i have to disagree with that ..

i thought both films (well, all 3 including planet terror) were excellent and authentic homages to the grindhouse exploitation films ..

- they weren't all about torture , a lot were based on cars, kung fu, blacksploitation, etc ...

to be honest - i thought kill bill did a better job than any of them

I know they all weren't about torture. Tarantino killed the feel by fulling the flick with self reflexive dialoge... make that way to much. I remember those kinda flicks being about cars not QT.
Kill Bill has dated really badly already... the music is terrible and the design is a tacky regurgitation of the pinky violence flicks and doesn't offer anything new.
Just a overlong self indulgent westernization of truly pioneering cinema.
Lady Snowblood is just a deeper film and has a lot more style and the Female Convict: Scorpion series has the splatter and quirky bad guys covered.

i didnt see it that way at all ..

i agree that a little more work was given to the dialogue - but i have a ton of these old 70's movies and they were very dialogue driven .. there were very long stretches between the high points (which made them seem that much higher and more shocking when they occured)

But never once did i get the sense of self indulgence .. all i catch is the vibe of the love these guys had for the films of that time and how badly they wanted to recapture the essence - and maybe expose a new generation to it.

they came off (QT and Rodriguez) to me as a pair of psychadellic preachers trying to spread the good word and enlighten the masses.

And to a small extent it worked ... some people asked questions and explored backwards .. some remembered how much they loved the old school and started rewatching it with a renewed appreciation. (like me)

sometimes there is a fine line between a homage and a rip-off ...

there is no doubt in my mind that Grindhouse was a labor of love for the guys who made it - at a HUGE finantal risk to boot.

I'm not taking away from Zombie - i think he has the same appreciation - he just goes in the grittiest direction which some folks appreciate more.

I don't always have to go there and am personally more in like with QT and RR in their vision/love for other facets of the genre.

Not only that but I really felt that QT captured the low budget feel of those 70's grindhouse films beautifully. Often times a movie would be filled with dialogue simply because the budget was spent on two or three big action scenes and there had to be more to the movie so long stretches of conversation and cheap plot developing scenes that some may consider "boring" were added to movies like that.


I liked both Ho1kC and DR and felt both were homages to different horror sub-genres. I was however disappointed that in DR, Zombie played out a scene so close to a scene in Last House on the Left that it felt lifted. Only one scene (that felt truly plagiarized), but it bugged me a little, not enough to make me hate the film but just enough to make me appreciate it a bit less.

I havent seen Last House on the Left yet...what was the plagiarized scene?

In the hotel room when they are torturing/raping the guests.

Yeah, especially the "slap her" part.

Yeah, but if we're going that route, House of 1000 Corpses ripped quite a few films off itself. Rob Zombie is a borrower- the Tarantino of horror.

I agree. It's not really stealing, it's metaculture.

No, no, no... I'm saying the only scene that really felt lifted was that slapping scene as it was almost word for word at some points. I'm not saying the movie was a rip off at all, in fact as I said earlier that I agreed with Urge about the films being homages to different sub-genres.

Depends on the Mood
 

When it comes to deciding which of these two movies is better, I would have to say they are equally matched... it just depends on the mood you're in. If you want to have some fun and laugh while people are being slaughtered, watch House of 1000 Corpses (BTW: while it was released in 2003, the first trailer can be found on The Crow - at least on the VHS, though I'm not sure of the DVD). However, if you want a gritty, relentless, not-often-funny, 70s-styled exploitation film, watch The Devil's Rejects (though it is not as violent or shocking as some of the 70s cinema I've seen). Also, if you like Sig Haig's nutsack watch DR. If you want to find out more about Dr. Satan, wait for Rob Zombie's animated feature, The Haunted World of El Superbeasto, based on a comic book he wrote which contained the character (if done like the comic, it could become my new favorite anime).

I much prefered Rejects. It was more my style. The killers were much more menacing in this.

I'd love to see The Haunted World of El Superbeasto done as a anime!

You needn't wait much longer. However, I don't like the way Dr. Satan looks. They changed it from the comic.

I wonder why Zombie changed the character of Otis so much from one film to another to a point where they don't even look like the same character.

In H1kC - Otis looks albino and talks alot more preacher style mumbo jumbo and seems to be driven by a higher purpose (as well as considering himself an artist).

In the sequal, he looks a lot different and definally seems to have lost all traces of his ablinism..Though obviously survival is his major drive in the sequal he seems to have lost a lot of his religious zeal too and comes across more an opportunistic sexual sadist serial killer.