Saw 3/4 does it really compare to the classics in gore?
 

I thought Saw 3 was meh, but I went to BloodGutsandGore and Saw 3 only hit 6 out of 10 on the scale.

I doubt Saw 4 will get much higher, prolly a point up or two.

But these movies are still beat by movies like Dead Alive which topped the scale at 26 out of 10. Or Cannibal Holocaust and ferox which got about 15 out of 10.

Theres also other movies like Ichi the Killer, The Evil Dead, etc.

Do the Saw movies really compare to these guys in gore?

well i love the old ones you mentioned and the saw series..... so im happy :D it'd suck if we still couldnt make good films.... then what would i do?

I'd say they compare in quality but not quantity. Saw 3's limb twisting scene and the cold room were both pretty cool. Saw 4 had a pretty good autopsy. I wouldn't say they're the goriest but I think they deliver in terms of quality, modern gore. Ichi was gory but the bad cgi ruined a few key moments.

i would actually say the opposite: the saw movies have a good quantity of gore, but the quality of the films doesn't compare to the classics. the saw films definitely have some nice gore scenes, but overall they feel mostly hollow. not to mention every one of them has had an annoying and forced "twist" at the end (except the first one, that was pretty impressive). i haven't seen the fourth one yet, so i can't speak for it, but i really feel the saw films are overrated, as is this whole new pop-fascination with "torture films," and i really believe they're doing more bad than good for the horror genre in general. they lack creativity (other than the torture methods, i guess), and continue to bring down people's expectations for horror.

as for ichi: definitely a good film but yeah, the bad cgi does make just a couple parts a little hard to believe.

Why do the cops always have to get involved in the saw movies?

Less cops and more Gore! And less Jigsaw!

The Saw movies are pretty with gore as far as big Hollywood movies go (Can't compare to the older cult classics). Obviously, they can't push it too much or they would get slapped with the dreaded NC-17 rating and that would kill it in terms of $$$ made.

Well, according to BGG (Blood guts and gore),

the list of movies that made it higher and outgored/beat the Saw series in gore were,

Dead Alive
Cannibal Holocaust, Ferox
Ichi the Killer
The Evil Dead

And a few more I think that I cant remember at the moment, id have to look again. Though some movies came pretty close to beating Saw 3.

Saw 3 beat some movies by little, like Evil Dead 2. Saw 3 beat Evil Dead 2 by 1 point.

But the movies I mentioned above completely took out the Saw movies on the scale.

I have no doubt they aren't the goriest movies ever... That's just a stupid argument!

I'm talking visual quality only. The Saw series used some old school effects mixed with today's techniques and provided some very clean gore without using a lot of really bad CGI. Some of the least gory moments of the movies are the most memorable though, I know at least three people who think the worst thing in all four movies was the needle pit.

I think the obvious CGI in Ichi suits the Manga cartoon-esque action, and general look of the film.

The CGI ruined Ichi IF you think of Ichi as a brutal, gore filled film I think. Personally I enjoyed Ichi and it's one of my favorite splatstick movies of all time. The part that bugged me the most was when they were inserting needled into the chin of one of the guys. The needle in that scene appeard to float and didn't seem solid at all.

Saw IV
 

Here's how you do it:

Get some oatmeal. Put a mic up to it. Stir it every 8-10 minutes. Scream when doing so. Hire actors to read stuff. Vats of kechup. CGI. Blue lens.

This film is utter dreck.

Way to give people some credit.

"Hire actors to read stuff."

Wow, you've hit it right on the head, way to go you.

there really wasnt that much gore in either of those 2 Cannibal films other than that one room with all the guts in it, there wasnt much in ichi either.

if you're looking for the real gory stuff, try Bone Sickness or Premutos.

Gore Gore Girls. Real, fun innovative gore. Or if you want the granddaddy of torture and cool kills, I once more refer people back to Dr. Phibes. Saw wishes it were Phibes. It also can't hold a candle to Theater of Blood.

I guess it depends on what you look for with regards to gore.

If you are talking purely in the volume of blood and mangled human tissue, then films like Dead Alive and Premutos are leaders.

I can't remember the exact figures, but if I recall correctly, Premutos had well over 100 kills.

However, to me Gore is more than just showing buckets of blood. For it to be effective, it has to make the viewer feel uncomfortable, provoke a visceral response.

There are movies with far less gore that provoke a much greater visceral response. For example, Irreversible. There are only a few "gore" scenes - the fire extinguisher/broken arm scene, the beating of the main character after she is raped. However, the fire extinguisher/broken arm scene alone provoked a much greater visceral response for me than Dead Alive and Premutos together.

The problem with many Hollywood productions is that they try to push the envelope and outdo their contemporaries, however still have to walk a fine line to keep within the boundaries of an R rating. Therefore, they need to have something more than just gore to be a memorable or interesting film (indie films or foreign films that don't care about the MPAA R rating can outdo them in gore).

Exactly. Innovative and interesting albeit less graphic can have a much more lasting impression than quantity of blood alone can produce.