Gun Control Debate
 

This recently arised to our governments concern yet once again, after such a tragic even that happened in Virginia. I personally am against what they are trying to do with the gun control, If we start changing all of our amendments that our founding fathers gave us, we are going to end up being a dictatorship government. (The past few elections, I believe we aren't a democracy anymore) If we had a majority of our teachers trained in firearm safty, and was able to have a fire arm on them in the school, do you think so many innocent lives would have been taking at VT? What are your thoughts on this.

i do not my kids when i have them going to school with teachers that have guns i can see a teacher having a bad day and shooting some one

I agree with what is said about people's rights to bear arms. Teachers could be trained in some situation type tactic for disarming a gunman/woman, terrorist or other type criminal (situation allowing for this). For a teacher to actually carry a firearm in a school (just in case), would be very wrong. Aren't these schools supposed to have their own security patrols ( escorting students to their cars after dark etc)? They should be equipped with stun guns at least, but not pistols. Let's be honest too, it's not these type of events happen every week, well at least not yet.

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is it just me or is it totally mad this right to bare arms. surely this law was written into the constitution in a time of danger and uncertainty. is it worth all the bloodshed just to keep a tradition in place that is dated. why would anyone cherish the right to carry around a gun?

I see your point about that stun guns, I do think that would be a better option than a hand gun, and your also right about this doesnt happen every week. But when they do happen they are just getting deadlier, more innocent lives lost. I also thought that to about having to talk student to their cars after dark, yeah right. I went to Art Institute in Pittsburgh classes let out about 1030 atnight and they didnt walk any of the women to their cars at all.

Because many Americans are thick as fuck, which sadly means the power of a gun replaces the power of their own brains in many troublesome situations.

Not really, it's part of our identity because it's a RIGHT. Personally I don't own a gun and probably never will. I'll go shooting with my Wife's uncle but that's about it. However, I oppose any law that would take any freedom away from the people.

It's a huge part of the American state of mind. I for one, am conflicted about it, but I totally get it. It's deeply ingrained into the American psyche that governments are essentially bad and that those in "power" need to be reminded that they get their power from the public...who is armed and ready for another revolution if the government goes too far. The Democratic Republic in which we live is still an experiment that may need serious revising - the founding fathers knew that and the constitution was given this provision to keep the leaders honest (honest leaders...what a concept)

It raises awful problems, but it certainly isn't a bad thing for our leaders to fear the public just a little, right? So whether it's a hopelessly outdated ideal or not, the gun and the right to bear arms has been mythologized in the heart and mind of Americana.

And the times we are living in isn't danger and uncertainty?

But over the years Americans have proved that they are not fit to have this right anymore, what with all the murders and whatnot.

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I don't think the "right to bear arms" should be the issue as much as the process of obtaining weapons. You have to go through weeks of schooling to get a license to drive yet in some states even people on medication for psychological problems can get not one but two handguns in the span of three weeks.

The incident at VA is a sad one. Especially because such a case had never happened before. Anyone who is an American wont do such shit. We have had our McVeighs and Dahmers but this was totally uncalled for and unnecessary.

Remember USA is a Union of States. And a lot of the integrity of this country is dependent on the Constitution that the forefathers wrote. The right to hold a gun is something which has been exercised by a lot of the citizens, and the state that this country lives in, it is imperative that people do it. Its not that they are insecure, but tomorrow when need be, under any situation, they can fall back on it.

It all boils down to this...is this question moral or Constitutional? Either choice will lead to completely different answers.

But there are more guns, a higher percentage of gun owners and more lax gun laws in Canada than the US...and they have a lower murder rate.

It isn't the guns that are the problem. It's the culture of fear and paranoia that's at the root of the problem. We are constantly being told how unsafe we are by our leaders and the media. The American press adage "if it bleeds, it leads" is ingrained into our newsstories to the point that ONLY sensational stories of people being wronged or attacked get any attention.

It's a huge cultural problem. :(

How many of em are really deemed fit to be even worthy of having a gun let alone two? In most states, it isnt bothered with.

Its like walking into a store and asking "Lemme have a gun..." and presto, he got one.

If you are blaming the upsurge in recent times about owning a gun, think back to 9/11, and Bin Laden's comments about Jehadists in every nook and cranny of the US. Can we really blame the people for wanting at least one gun in their homes?

If they did do something to ban fire arms, it still isn't going to stop the criminals from owning a gun, there is still the black market. So I think I would have the right to defend myself with a firearm if somebody is endangering my life, my families or another individual. Some states have different laws, about this mine for example if an intruder breaks into your house and you shoot and kill him, then you the victim that shot him is facing murder charges, and it relies on you to show that it was self defense.

Exactly.......and this case in particular is very disturbing. There where so many red flags going off.....christ this guy had to be tutored because students were afraid of him.

AM got a point there. Tweaking the Constitution and taking away the right wont be the cure here, because THEN the common man will be deprived of one defence he has. There has to be some other method out of this...

No, SOME people aren't fit to have that right. Cho was already 6 when he came to this country which means that America wasn't the ONLY influence throughout his life. You can ban guns all you want but the people who want to use them will still get or make them. AM got there first, good post heh.

Which culture? We have such a mish-mash of culutres and identities that there's almost a lack of our own.

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Many, not all. Most people would know the places "many" refers to.

I think the Canada comparison is the final word on the subject - what is it that makes America so much more violent apart from their culture?

33 were people killed is the deadliest shooting in our country which is nothing compared to many shootings in the history of other nations around the world. We're still a young country but I don't think we're more violent than the next... we're just allowed express more. At least if this guy didn't die in the VA shootings he could have been tracked because he used a legally purchased gun. "The legal gun owner is not a problem for public safety," said Streitburger. "It's the illegally held gun that is." In Germany, less than 1 percent or gun crimes involve a legally owned gun. Yet Germany has had their share of shootings, look back to 2002 when in Erfurt, Germany 18 people were killed in a high school shooting.

I still think it's the LACK of culture in America that's the issue but this topic is about controlling guns... not people.

i think they should make it harder to get a gun but not make it impossible. truthfully no matter what you do people will find a way to get one and if some one wants to kill they will find away its human nature being unleshed

But you are - you are more violent in fact than the very next country that sits above your heads on the map, as proven by statistics.

Illegal guns come from legal sources, which means the ATF can trace ownership back to the last Federal Firearms Licence... but little thereafter.

Express more... say it with bullets!

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guns are dumb i hate guns to many people have died from them, people that deserved to live over rapest, murderurs, phyco paths, and many others.

Do you pay attention to what is going on in Iraq and Afgan ? You want to call us violent? People over there take out their own people ranging from 30 - 100 a day.

edit: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070418/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq check that out 183 deaths in one day, just happend today!

this fucking war in irauq is pissing me off god we cant fix there issues we tryed and its getting pointless and to many soldiers are dieing

And what about Hitler's rule in Germany or North Korea. Give me a break, we're not the "most violent" because we aren't Canadians.

You can't forget the crazy fucker in Iran!

every country has diffrent issues hitler was germany, we had some but not like that, at least that i remeber and also you cant realy judge vilence unless its a world poll. we live in hell right now. and most likly we will destroy our own race

Rights handed down by forefathers...etc...to bear arms or not, you can't really argue the comparative difference in armed robbery, armed assault and firearms related death rates between the states, and countries that have more stringent anti-gun laws in place.
Yeah, it's a right...but as long as it's a right for you, it's a right for them unfortunately. Yes, I'm well aware that the criminal element could get their hands on these weapons even if they were outlawed...but, it would be by far a monority in comparison...There'd be less "everyday" variety psychos that just have a bad day and decide putting bullets in a few folk is the best way to vent their frustration.

i agree wepons are to easy to get ahold of and there realy is nothing you can do though there will always be crime its part of life

Nobody said America was the most violent country, but it is significantly more violent than the next country, and most of what we might class as the civilised world.

And yes the outlawing of home shooters would slowly but surely reduce gun crime in America, since the source of illegal weapons would be severely affected.

I think guns are fine. I think it's idiots who need to be controlled. This cycle could go on forever with specifics but... It isn't the gun that kills, it's the hand pulling the trigger.

Responsibility?Don't blame the individual....blame Society!:confused:


Ban all firearms,knives,pornaghraphy and alcohol!How many people die becouse of this stuff every year?



Ted Bundy blamed porn for his actions.....if porn made Bundy rape and kill women....Why not ban it?

ones self is there worst enemy

No,thats not politically correct.......never blame the individual!




A lot of people die from" Aids" every year...should we ban premarital sex?

Homsexuality?Religion?



We should ban everything.....then the world would be a perfect UTOPIA!;)

Well I was out today and some guy here shot someone, and I must say our police force really stepped up their game to catch the guy. They called in the helicopter from pittsburgh, and the swat team. I was suprised to see how fast they acted on this, maybe this tragedy was actually a wake up call for most enforcments. What the guy shot the other guy for? Drugs. They was stopping everycar and doing a quick search like it was the mexico border.