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Rob Bottin 03-27-2007 07:07 AM

WHY the hell is Army of Darkness classed as horror and rated R???
 
The title speaks for itself.

swiss tony 03-27-2007 07:37 AM

if you're saying it should fall into the fantsy genre then i agree. i assume the american ' R rating ' is the british equivalent of an eighteen. if this is the case then i think you should remember that ratings are only relevant to the year they were classified. perhaps today it wouldn't get the same rating

Rob Bottin 03-27-2007 07:49 AM

Ok, I think it should be rated G, 11 on cinema then. And yes Iīm 100% serious.

Mictlantechutli 03-27-2007 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Bottin (Post 578591)
Ok, I think it should be rated G, 11 on cinema then. And yes Iīm 100% serious.

You sure waste a lot of time worrying about the most pointless aspect of a film - the one that is completely irrelevant...the rating.

What matters is if the story, characters, action, framing, pacing, thematic structure, social relevance, and overall entertainment factor.

Who gives a fuck what the rating is?

illdojo 03-27-2007 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mictlantechutli (Post 578605)
You sure waste a lot of time worrying about the most pointless aspect of a film - the one that is completely irrelevant...the rating.

What matters is if the story, characters, action, framing, pacing, thematic structure, social relevance, and overall entertainment factor.

Who gives a fuck what the rating is?

I agree. :D

Riff 03-27-2007 05:40 PM

all right, the answer from someone who has worked in a number of video stores, and now works in the film industry...

It's in Horror because the first two movies in the set are in horror and it has walking skeletons and zombie like things in it. Video stores don't put a lot of research into their filing systems, and they figure if you found the first two movies in the series there, you'll look for the third one there.

The 'R' rating is entirely arbitrary, as are all movie ratings. How movies are rated is based on the feelings of the people on the board after watching the movie. If you don't like the rating you got, you can make changes and resubmit, or resubmit without changing and try to wear them down with your arguments. Standards have changed-- there are older movies that have full nudity in them that got a PG rating. I'm told one of the things they currently look at is use of the "f-word". You can use it once as an expletive and get a PG13, but if you use it to describe the act, it's an R. In other words, you can say "f*ck you" but not "f*ck me". Army's R rating is just based on the opinions of the board members at the time.

The Flayed One 03-27-2007 06:02 PM

Wonderful. The poster trying to argue that no one posts in his movie threads giving a completely pointless answer to an honest question.


As for the question, IMDB lists the reasons for being rated R as "violence & horror." I'd have to agree, as a spurting blood pit fight between Bruce Campbell and an undead seems to fit the description.

As to why it's considered horror, it's an age old debate that many movies go through. I'd consider it just as much horror as I would Dead/Alive (aka Braindead) or Return of the Living Dead. Such great movies as Silence of the Lambs, Jaws & Se7en have went through the same machine for different reasons.

I didn't draw any lines as to what was considered horror in the HDC Top 100s for this reason. Draw your line where you stand, just remember that because you do others aren't necessarily wrong.

swiss tony 03-28-2007 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by The Flayed One (Post 578922)

As to why it's considered horror, it's an age old debate that many movies go through. I'd consider it just as much horror as I would Dead/Alive (aka Braindead) or Return of the Living Dead. Such great movies as Silence of the Lambs, Jaws & Se7en have went through the same machine for different reasons.

I didn't draw any lines as to what was considered horror in the HDC Top 100s for this reason. Draw your line where you stand, just remember that because you do others aren't necessarily wrong.

i posted a thread regarding 8mm. i'd be interested to hear your personal opinion on this movie

Rob Bottin 03-29-2007 07:17 AM

As for the question, IMDB lists the reasons for being rated R as "violence & horror." I'd have to agree, as a spurting blood pit fight between Bruce Campbell and an undead seems to fit the description.

Well, I guess itīs just rated R just because they on MPAA is so fucking sensetive.

swiss tony 03-29-2007 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Bottin (Post 579805)
As for the question, IMDB lists the reasons for being rated R as "violence & horror." I'd have to agree, as a spurting blood pit fight between Bruce Campbell and an undead seems to fit the description.

Well, I guess itīs just rated R just because they on MPAA is so fucking sensetive.

why is pans labyrinth a 15 (uk rating) and in the fantasy section mister smarty pants?

Rob Bottin 03-29-2007 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by swiss tony (Post 579844)
why is pans labyrinth a 15 (uk rating) and in the fantasy section mister smarty pants?

Because itīs not a horror movie? I havenīt seen it.:mad:

bloodrayne 03-29-2007 12:29 PM

You have to admit that Army Of Darkness definitely has common horror themes...The Necronomicon, Living dead rising from graves, demons, chainsaws, blood and guts, the supernatural...It's undeniable...

As for the rating...I was gonna say probably for the violence, but it's already been mentioned...my personal opinion is that it should be PG13

swiss tony 03-29-2007 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bloodrayne (Post 579920)
You have to admit that Army Of Darkness definitely has common horror themes...The Necronomicon, Living dead rising from graves, demons, chainsaws, blood and guts, the supernatural...It's undeniable...

As for the rating...I was gonna say probably for the violence, but it's already been mentioned...my personal opinion is that it should be PG13

its just that its set in medieval england which gives it a D&D feel. personally, i think pans labyrinth has as many horror themes as army... they both have elements of both types of movies. what is van helsing then? fantasy or horror? or dog's shit? i'm saying the latter

bloodrayne 03-29-2007 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by swiss tony (Post 579925)
its just that its set in medieval england which gives it a D&D feel. personally, i think pans labyrinth has as many horror themes as army... they both have elements of both types of movies. what is van helsing then? fantasy or horror? or dog's shit? i'm saying the latter

Hmm...Well...Vampires are classified as horror...Right?

Despare 03-29-2007 01:38 PM

Lots of fun slapstick gore but there's a boobshot too I believe. Probably what sent the fuddyduddys over the edge.

Rob Bottin 03-29-2007 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bloodrayne (Post 579920)
You have to admit that Army Of Darkness definitely has common horror themes...The Necronomicon, Living dead rising from graves, demons, chainsaws, blood and guts, the supernatural...It's undeniable...

As for the rating...I was gonna say probably for the violence, but it's already been mentioned...my personal opinion is that it should be PG13


GUTS!?!? You fucking kidding me.

bloodrayne 03-29-2007 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Bottin (Post 580024)
GUTS!?!? You fucking kidding me.

Well...Okay then...Goo...:p

Rob Bottin 03-29-2007 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bloodrayne (Post 580039)
Well...Okay then...Goo...:p

Haha, seriously, in which scene did you saw some guts? I saw a fountain of blood in the beginning (yes, Iīve seen the entire film if you didnīt thought so) but thatīs it.

swiss tony 03-29-2007 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bloodrayne (Post 579931)
Hmm...Well...Vampires are classified as horror...Right?

dunno if thats enough. the league of extraordinary gentlemen had a vamp not to mention mr hyde, one of the original horror characters of literature. the brothers grimm had witches and exorcisms. i'm sticking to my guns here, fantasy!

Rob Bottin 04-10-2007 03:30 AM

Ok ok, I surrender, it is a horror movie but I still never gonna class it as a one.

Someone have an idea why the fucking hell itīs rated 15 and higher:mad: ?

mordrid 04-10-2007 05:51 AM

Because at the time of the movie's release, all horror movies were pretty much given a R rating honestly. This was before the days of the PG-13 horrors.

Rob Bottin 04-10-2007 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mordrid (Post 585106)
Because at the time of the movie's release, all horror movies were pretty much given a R rating honestly. This was before the days of the PG-13 horrors.

Fucking MPAA:mad: Iīm glad our censorship isnīt really the same hard.

How can you atleast not give AoD PG rating? I mean, itīs not that violent, have I said before that I think it should be rated G?

DEATHH DREAMS author 04-10-2007 07:08 PM

It is 'horror by association'...

Despare 04-10-2007 07:16 PM

There's a short bit of nudity, shotgun battles, demons trying to kill people, sexual banter, disturbing images...

You honestly think any kid anywhere should be able to walk in unsupervised and watch it?

Doc Faustus 04-11-2007 08:23 AM

I think it does fit a bit better into the fantasy genre, which you can see with all the homages in the movie to Harryhausen Greek mythology films. As for the violence, it's not whether the violence is too intense for adults, it's whether it's too intense for children that earns something an R. With some of the obscenity, the intensity of a guy tossed into a well with a demon and the constant splatter, yes, an R might work for it. My 4 year old brother loved the tv cut, but the average kid might find it intense.

novadawn969 04-11-2007 09:05 AM

I'm to lazy to read all of the thread, but I hope I can help a little.
It's neither horror nor fantasy. It's in the 'dark comedy' genre. And Mordrid is right. At the time it was made, everything was considered rated R. If it had any cussing it was automatically rated R. Just how they rated it back then.

anesti 04-11-2007 02:41 PM

just a reply!!
 
i ask myself the same question, lol, like i mean really why tf?
Wen i first watched Army of Darkness, i saw it on VHS , and i actually thought it was a comedy movie, really, especially the scene in the woods, when he goes after the necromancer, lool, that was just crazy, or the scene in the castle at the end, lol, or the scene with the chainsaw, i gotta admit that i laughed at that movie like i had never laughed at an horror movie before!!

i think it's the system, the fu*king rules that make the system, the same as using the f word too many times, i mean one time it's ok, but use it twice or more and the small kid will go 'round the block, fu*king people around!! :)) lol

PR3SSUR3 04-11-2007 06:36 PM

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if you're saying it should fall into the fantsy genre then i agree. i assume the american ' R rating ' is the british equivalent of an eighteen
'R' = 17, but unlike in the UK you can get in are younger if accompanied by an adult.

'NC-17' seems to be box office suicide since many cinema chains don't show films with this rating, but even this is not as strict as a UK '18' cert, which show in multiplexes packed with adults day in, day out.

Yanks, eh?

Rob Bottin 06-17-2007 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 585611)
There's a short bit of nudity, shotgun battles, demons trying to kill people, sexual banter, disturbing images...

You honestly think any kid anywhere should be able to walk in unsupervised and watch it?



And thatīs supposed to come from you who haves the signature you have?! Hahahahahaha! Thanks for the entertainment:-D

Despare 06-17-2007 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob Bottin (Post 611044)
And thatīs supposed to come from you who haves the signature you have?! Hahahahahaha! Thanks for the entertainment:-D

I'm not against any of it, but I think ratings should be in place for parents who don't want to take the time to watch a movie before plopping their brood down in front of it. Same with this forum, parents should be watching what their kids are doing online. Besides... my sig is medical. ;)

Dante'sInferno 06-17-2007 10:22 AM

I think it's a Dark Comedy.With horror elemements and gore.Also a pinch of fantasy.

massacre man 06-18-2007 07:29 AM

Because, the ratings board knew it would make you mad.

Elvis_Christ 06-19-2007 05:46 PM

It was released over here as a R13 when it came out.

Despare 06-19-2007 07:08 PM

Because if it was rated PG-13 people would have bitched and said it would have ruined the series. ;)

Rob Bottin 11-04-2007 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Elvis_Christ (Post 611528)
It was released over here as a R13 when it came out.

:S Where are you from?

XĪMurderDollĪX 11-04-2007 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dante'sInferno (Post 611095)
I think it's a Dark Comedy.With horror elemements and gore.Also a pinch of fantasy.


dark comedy? I think it's most definitey slapstick comedy

The Vault of Horror 11-05-2007 09:23 AM

I agree. I think the only reason is cause its connected to the Evil Dead movies. But its so completely different, its a total comedy/fantasy. Not horror at all.

Despare 11-05-2007 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Vault of Horror (Post 644634)
Not horror at all.

There's some horror in the movie.

Marching skeletons, flesh eating books, the little Ashes, evil Ash, demons... it may not be "scary" but the movie has at least a foot inside the boundries that define "horror".

Psycom5k 11-06-2007 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Despare (Post 644704)
There's some horror in the movie.

Marching skeletons, flesh eating books, the little Ashes, evil Ash, demons... it may not be "scary" but the movie has at least a foot inside the boundries that define "horror".

So then by you saying that, that would mean that anything with horror themes would be filed under the horror genre. Which would mean, something with ghosts in it would be defined as horror. So, with that said, would you say that all the "A Christmas Carol" movies would be horror then? Because last time I checked it wasn't. Just because there are horror themes in a movie, does not make the movie horror. Therefor IMO Army of Darkness = Fantasy/comedy.

Despare 11-06-2007 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycom5k (Post 644972)
So then by you saying that, that would mean that anything with horror themes would be filed under the horror genre. Which would mean, something with ghosts in it would be defined as horror. So, with that said, would you say that all the "A Christmas Carol" movies would be horror then? Because last time I checked it wasn't. Just because there are horror themes in a movie, does not make the movie horror. Therefor IMO Army of Darkness = Fantasy/comedy.

There are plenty of horror elements in Army of Darkness; blood, guts, chainsaws, shotguns, skeletons, a posessed girlfriend, demons, etc... Not just "ghosts".

If you can't see it, too bad for you, because it's a great comedy/horror film.

"Duh, so demons mean ghosts and ghosts are in a Christmas Carol..."

Have you ever read the original Christmas Carol? It's a lot darker than that holiday dreck you watch on TBS on Christmas Eve before you put on your footie PJs and hit the sack to wait for Santa.

Don't be an idiot.


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